what do you guys think about this new ford 412hp contraption? You think its gonna be a challenge to us goats?

 

Well if your Goat is an 05-06 You shouldn't have any problems... You put a Cold air intake on her you should be making around the same HP. Then The GTO weighs less so you should have atleast a 2 foot margin of victory. Until the 140 mark then the GTO PULLS!

04- Change the intake, cam, and exhaust, with a tune. Should be able to hang with it. Then when the 140 mark the GTO PULLS!

 

What cold air intake do you know about that i dont? They add virtually no power, and when dynoed the increase is usually within the margin of error on a dyno. Pointless mod, tho the vararam has been known to give some kick on the highway.

And as to the OP i think the mustang will be noticeably faster stock on stock.

There have been reports that it runs in the high 12s dead stock, something almost unfathomable even for an LS2 equipped goat.

 

A descent cold air intake will add a certain amount of hp. K and N adds maybe 10. Volant 14. Im not talking a cheap ebay CAI.

 

I don't think the '11 5.0 Mustang is going to weigh more than a GTO.

I'm thinking any stock Goat owner regardless of year should start modding up a bit so they can stay competitive w/ the '11 5.0, JMO.

 

Haha lol...where do you get your numbers from? The butt dyno? The box which the volant intake comes in claims 14+ horsepower? Dude try more like 1-5 hp for those intakes. Both are crappy designs and get heat soaked very easily. The only and I mean only intake worth buying for these cars is the OTR type like the Varam. At least the stock air box doesn't heatsoak that bad.

 

Theres an Ebay CAI for our cars? and those are claims, the K and N box also claims 50whp more for a c6 ZO6...

^^^yes to everything you said. Also want to add that its been shown that the stock aribox with the home made CAI mod(s) has shown lower IATs and equal or more in most cases hp gain then any other non OTR intake.

 

There have been plenty of high 12 stock GTOs. Reason its not more common is people cant launch skinny tired IRS cars.

 

I dont' see these new "mudstains" being much of an issue for an 05-06 GTO. They are claiming 412hp/390tq. The 05-06 GTO is 400hp/400tq. The torque is gonna win the race. Especially in any of these heavy pigs of cars.

 

theyre going to be fast cars. any stock GTO should be concerned about lining up against one.

 

yeah there gonna be fast any stock gto or ls1 camaro should watch out.
some will run high 12's some will run mid 13's all driver,car,track prep,weather.I will give them the slight edge over 98-02 camaros,04-06 gtos,even the new 2010camaro ss.

 

yall are ill advised. If they are not bsing us about the 412 hp, then the LIGHTER mustang will smoke the ls2. CAI wont help.

 

About CAI's for the 05-06 GTO's.

Easy and quick install, but didn't do jack to my car. I had an 05 A4 GTO and I bought a Lingenfelter, yea woo, Lingenfelter and all it did was make the car sound better, nothing outside of 'seat of the pants' feelings. For old school guys like myself, I would compare this to turning over the air filter lid so part of the air filter is exposed, sounds good, but it didn't really do anything. So, as I stated, it is an easy install that anybody can do and for minimal cost, but these increases advertised as 10+ hp are pure bull. I would say maybe up to 5 hp, however up to 5 hp for 300 bucks isn't very good.

Anybody who really thinks that an CAI adds 10 or more horsepower, please send me about 3 million bucks. The Astrodome in Houston is vacant and can be all yours for this tidy sum.

To the 12 second GTO's. There were a very small handful that could get a 12.99 or better bone stock. It was the exception, not the rule. These were really good drivers on really good tracks with great weather.

 

Well I guess I was the exception--went 12.91 on stock manifolds/stock tune.

 

My humble congratulations on your ability to **** further than the next guy.

If you reread my post that you copied, it stated that "There were a very small handful that could get a 12.99 or better bone stock. It was the exception, not the rule. These were really good drivers on really good tracks with great weather." Let me rephrase this..........or better bone stock. To me bone stock is like you bought it new off the showroom.

If you did this bone stock, my hat's off to you. I just went back to the ls1gto forums and there used to be a list that was showroom stock, bolt ons, power adders, etc, but it seems to have been made to one big list. The one I saw sorted was an older one and only had about 5 or so cars on it. And since this was copied, I have no idea who number 1 is/was.

My only reason to post this is to indicate how few cars turned in a 12.xxx bone stock. As mentioned before, they were few and far between. Also the car mags were getting 13.3s out of the new LS2 GTO's. IMHO, from what little I have read, the 2011 Mustang may be a little faster, depending on the weight and gearing.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106613

LS2 Stock Classes:

2) NYTIGER 12.920 @ 109.40 MPH
3) Boilermaker GTO 12.9299 @ 106.89 MPH
4) 05torridred60 12.971 @ 108 MPH - SAP mufflers
5) jumbojet 12.974 @ 108.08 MPH
6) BlackSheep 12.98 @ 108 MPH
7) GTOboss 13.007 @ 108.52mph
8) KYGTO 13.035 @ 108.96 MPH
9) Judgethis05 13.036 @ 108.72
10) hookmechanic 13.074 @ 106.76 MPH
11) SLoW SHO 13.082 @ 108.15
12) SloNlo 13.086 @ 108.75 MPH
13) Aerobirdmotorsports 13.098@106.91
14) TheCamel 13.112 @ 108.49 MPH
15) BadGTO 13.14 @ 104.99 MPH

 

Yeah, I hate to say it but the Rustang will for once in its miserable life be faster than the GM cars. The Mustang weighs less than the Camaro and much less than the GTO. That 5.0 is also running something like an 11.7 compression ratio so it's a high strung little beast of a motor. I think the code name of the motor is the Coyote 5.0 or something stupid like that.

It's going to be fast but I'll be damned if I ever drive anything with a blue oval on it.

 

412 hp and 35--3600 pounds

out of the hole i think the gto is gonna be ahead, but if the power delivery of the new 5.0 is anything like the 4.6, at around 4000 rpms its gonna start screaming

 

yea new 5.0 weighs 3560lbs and is gonna pull hard once it revs, redline is like 7000-7100rpms ont he new motor. Bone stock car minus slicks and skinnies I hear mid 12s from my buddy who works on them and has bought the new model yr mustang every year since 05. He already ordered the new 5.0. Its not gonna be a slouch like the 05-10 model year gt's.

 

Its all word of mouth on times but good for ford they need something though i could careless being that Mustangs are like Civic's in my area everyone has one its the me too car. I'm sure whatever happens people will adjust if they feel the need to go head to head the LS motors love mods i'm sure there wont be a problem.

 

Oh so the 03-04 cobra doesnt exist?
that 6 year old car is faster then the new camaro ss and the ls2 gto.

And not to mention that the ford is lighter but ford has quite a history of publishing "less then accurate" hp numbers so i fully expect the mustang to win from a roll as well.