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Old 06-02-2014 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Guitar
Yes. Doesn't do much if anything.

I don't know what it made before. Something along the lines of 35x/34x.
I don't give a **** what other cars made with a different cam or different bolt ons. My car runs great on the street for what it is and beats/hangs with cars it doesn't have business hanging with according to track times.
If your car hangs with or outruns a h/c car that is one fucked up h/c car. Not trying to make you feel bad but I would not expect my car to run with a similar car with h/c.

your stock cam dyno gives a little clue. A ls1 should be a little tq heavy compared to hp. Seems as though your's was not. Just the opposite.
Old 06-02-2014 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
If your car hangs with or outruns a h/c car that is one fucked up h/c car. Not trying to make you feel bad but I would not expect my car to run with a similar car with h/c.

your stock cam dyno gives a little clue. A ls1 should be a little tq heavy compared to hp. Seems as though your's was not. Just the opposite.
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Damn......that's some really good times for cam only
Nah man, it's a turd. Hio is the truth, he is the LS god. Not even GM themselves have his knowledge.


341.6hp/356.8tq
Bolt on numbers.

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Old 06-02-2014 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ZNix
I broke. I'm out. Sorry y'all!
Sorry to hear that. I hope you can get it back together in no time.

I broke mine last week as well (what sounded like a rod knock) but it should be back together by the end of this week.

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We need to go back!
Originally Posted by willizm
You want to get some more passes in before the end of the month? We should do Byron, just say when. Also the guy your getting your tires from hooked me up with the wheels I have

Let me know if you guys want to try GLD before the end of the month. A couple of friends and I are trying to decide what day to go. Seems like everyone in my group(including myself) is scared to break their cars before the Power Tour lol.
Old 06-02-2014 | 12:05 PM
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Quad City Area Auto has a rental at Cordova on the 22nd if any of you guys are interested.
Old 06-02-2014 | 12:16 PM
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How much to get in on rental?

How does it compare to Byron?
Byron is 90 min from us while Cordova is 2hr.
Old 06-02-2014 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Guitar
Yes. Doesn't do much if anything.

I don't know what it made before. Something along the lines of 35x/34x.
I don't give a **** what other cars made with a different cam or different bolt ons. My car runs great on the street for what it is and beats/hangs with cars it doesn't have business hanging with according to track times.
So what are you shifting at now? Looking at your graph you peaked at 6200. So why would you not shift ~500 rpms higher? If you shift at peak then your rpms will be much lower in the band. Taking you out of starting point of the power band. I have an excel spreadsheet that you can plug in shift points and rpm/power and it will tell you where your rpms will be in the start of the next gear. PM your email and I'll send it to you. Or I used to use this online one: http://www.bgsoflex.com/shifter.html

Remember it's all about laying down the highest "average" hp for the entire run.

I will say I give you kudos keep going back after a frustrating outing. Keep it up, you will get there. The results will be much more rewarding when you reach them.

-Mark
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I'll PM you. Problem is I hit the limiter sometimes even shifting at what I have the light set at now (I'll check what it is when I get home).
Old 06-02-2014 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Guitar
Nah man, it's a turd. Hio is the truth, he is the LS god. Not even GM themselves have his knowledge.


341.6hp/356.8tq
Bolt on numbers.
I was smart enough to know there was something wrong with the #'s you give me. And you are a perfect example of why I tell guys not to go inside the motor until you run 11's with bolt-ons.


It's not really that hard......if dumbass redneck illiterate hill billy mf'rs like notch and I can do anyone should be able to.

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Old 06-02-2014 | 02:13 PM
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Man,

I sure hope to make it, the cars is being tuned and dynoed this week, BUT i have a 10 day vacation coming up on the 14th so it will be close for me to make it to the track before the end of this month... we shall C

Mac, have you went yet? We are thinking Steel or Bowling Green, leaning towards BG but we shall see.
Old 06-02-2014 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I was smart enough to know there was something wrong with the #'s you give me. And you are a perfect example of why I tell guys not to go inside the motor until you run 11's with bolt-ons.


It's not really that hard......if dumbass redneck illiterate hill billy mf'rs like notch and I can do anyone should be able to.
I can agree with this^^^. 11s are easy fo sho.
Old 06-02-2014 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by islander033
I can agree with this^^^. 11s are easy fo sho.
Truth. You just need a hacked up motor swapped racecar that you've worked on 15 years to get right!
Old 06-02-2014 | 04:41 PM
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If Guitar's r/w is true then 115 is moving for a cam only combo. Dyno numbers aside if he got the car down to lets say notch's Bolton r/w with the 140lb driver the car would go 120+. Which is right on par with what his car would have done with l/ts and a cam.
Old 06-02-2014 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I drove mine to the track last time out. .....and home in the rain. Your still a 12 sec car.....so your point is?

where do you come up with I have 100 more hp than you?? Lol and 800lb less?? Double lol.

try about 600lb with 150 of that being your own fault and 28-45 hp depending on who's dyno you want to believe
You REALLY are a ******* ***** at times man. Do you even realize it? **** man.
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So how many of you ls1 guys have ran 11s with bolt ons ?
Old 06-02-2014 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gt4urass

You REALLY are a ******* ***** at times man. Do you even realize it? **** man.
Proof?
Old 06-02-2014 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bitemark46
So what are you shifting at now? Looking at your graph you peaked at 6200. So why would you not shift ~500 rpms higher? If you shift at peak then your rpms will be much lower in the band. Taking you out of starting point of the power band. I have an excel spreadsheet that you can plug in shift points and rpm/power and it will tell you where your rpms will be in the start of the next gear. PM your email and I'll send it to you. Or I used to use this online one: http://www.bgsoflex.com/shifter.html

Remember it's all about laying down the highest "average" hp for the entire run.

I will say I give you kudos keep going back after a frustrating outing. Keep it up, you will get there. The results will be much more rewarding when you reach them.

-Mark
The link has me shifting at over 7000.....cool. I ain't turning this bitch tight enough
Originally Posted by Guitar
Truth. You just need a hacked up motor swapped racecar that you've worked on 15 years to get right!
Dude.....your dumbass and others like you forget I know what the car has done in all of it guises. I went as fast as you on the stock tune with the ls6 in it on 18's with no dr, stock gear in it, a stock ls6 intake, poopy mac headers, the stock catback, stock trans and the car was very near full weight. That's what I can't understand......you **** cry and bitch and consatantly make stupid comments about the weight of may car. YET NONE OF YOU ARE FULL WEIGHT
Originally Posted by automach1
If Guitar's r/w is true then 115 is moving for a cam only combo. Dyno numbers aside if he got the car down to lets say notch's Bolton r/w with the 140lb driver the car would go 120+. Which is right on par with what his car would have done with l/ts and a cam.
Not really....notch's car had no headers, no 9', no bias tire. It was lighter.....but I don't weigh 140
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So how many of you ls1 guys have ran 11s with bolt ons ?
50 on the list....who knows how many more not on the ls1tech list. I can tell you 2 more. One is notch's car the other is Mike's. The bump is 11.74 so I bet there are a pile of cars from 11.73-11.99.
Old 06-02-2014 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Gt4urass
You REALLY are a ******* ***** at times man. Do you even realize it? **** man.
Why don't you get with the program dude? I stated truths out of the lies HE told. Why would you call a man a ***** that corrects lies? Now if the world is right you will apologize to me and jump on guitars *** for lying/exaggerating.
Old 06-02-2014 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawhead
So how many of you ls1 guys have ran 11s with bolt ons ?
Only 50% of the Hio crew has. That's actually not a terrible %....but still not all that great though.
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Originally Posted by 95-1LE-Z28

Let me know if you guys want to try GLD before the end of the month. A couple of friends and I are trying to decide what day to go. Seems like everyone in my group(including myself) is scared to break their cars before the Power Tour lol.
Well this is why I bring a trailer when we go as a group. if push comes to shove I can always drive my car home and tow whoevers.
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Quad City Area Auto has a rental at Cordova on the 22nd if any of you guys are interested.
I've always wanted to do Cordova and it's not much further than Byron. Is it pretty packed on the weekends or that rental day?
Originally Posted by hugger1975
How much to get in on rental?

How does it compare to Byron?
Byron is 90 min from us while Cordova is 2hr.
Yeah what he said. How much? Jay I hear Cordova is just as good as Byron.
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:42 PM
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you guys really need to stop comparing times from all around the US. I'm telling you, there has NEVER been a bolton only fbody/GTO/C5 that has got into the 11's up here at our NHRA track. Guy who leads the local bracket racing brackets up here (Ford guy) flat out laughed when I asked him if any bolton fbodies ever hit the 11's. He said two or three gutted, na A/C, one seat only FULL bolton cars with steep gears and slicks have gotten into the low 12's though. He's been racing at our local three tracks for a couple decades and is out at the track nearly every weekend. He agreed with me that a solid bolton fbody, done right and driven right on good tires, can get into the mid/high 12's. I still am the ONLY bolton GTO to get into the 12's (12.9) when I was headers/cai/tune/stock stall n gears on good tires. Just like the new SRT8's run mid/high 12's bone stock and driven right (lots of 13 second ones out there) and the old SRT8's where mid/high 13 second range.

Stock 5.0's run high 12's/low 13's, bolton/tire 5.0's run low 12's and a few friends of his have dipped into the high 11's. C6Z's stock he's seen a few dip into the 11's, but most are in the 12.0-12.3 range though he said they MPH in the low 120's. He said one guy hit 10's in his C6Z with only drag radials but he refused to open his hood for the tech guys when they wanted to recheck his setup and left the track instead.

Stock fifth gens run mid 13's from his experience, though he said it's more a matter of guys not being able to 60' for ****. Bolton/tire fifth gen's run mid/high 12's. ZL1's seem to be low 12's, he'd never heard of one hitting 11's period, but he admitted they are really rare to see. Same with new Cobra's: those guys hit low 11's and go home after one or two runs all upset "instead of learning how to drive" according to him. lol

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