My car n/a, given the power and weight could use a 4.30 or a GTO trans and the 4.10's in it now.

Gearing makes a huge diff joe. Your not going to be running 1.6x 60 foots. My car doesnt really have traction issues. It pulls wheels. Did it ever so slightly on the stock 17" ws.6 rim.

My car on the street unless its 32 degrees out hooks well for the street and those ET drags on Chef's rims are over 5 years old and still hook. They were sticking to the trash bag I transported them in.

If you think your car will be as fast, and as consistant at launching at a higher RPM, your wrong, the biggest advantage of a auto trans is that 1st gear ratio. Our 2.66 is paltry compare to the GTO trans ratio. Given your car is not lightend it most certainly benefits from the gearing. Mine would Love it.

 

thats a good offer, and def down the road i will prolly take u up on it and really become apart of team noyzee lol.... but i think for now im gonna try to get an 11 sec pass just out of bolt ons, maybe after the 11 sec pass i will go nitrous until the motor is done and then look into a big build

 

Joe I've got a couple cars for you in the consistancey department, they're writing #'s on their windows and running within .00x of them, and that's from the morning to the afternoon with the weather changes, at a supercomp speed.

You can argue this all day, but any real racer will tell you this, if you want to work on and fix your car, leave a factory manual in it. if you want to race the car, put an automatic in it, or an aftermarket lenco/bruno/liberty style manual in it.

I'd love to put the liberty in it, but it's 10 grand for the tranny, and there's alot of classes that don't allow them, so I don't want to limit myself.

 

You'll be back out there soon Jim.

 

I still think running fast on LTX **** is cool. I say go for it!

 

I was rowing gears in a ford this weekend running 11.4's, i used to row them in my car running 10's a ton of the traction has to do with driving, if you can drive you can make just about anything hook good or atleast ok with a half decent set of tires.

ps, you cam only cars need some work tho to keep up with th autos, i have a cam only car running 11.6 right now. auto. cheepest headers you can buy, full stock suspention no sub frames nothing, stock intake and t-body full weight car daily driver, full exhaust, back seat and spare tire still in it, stock 10 bolt and that was the first and only trip to the track with the car in warm weather.
we are going to try to run it this weekend with a little cooler weather and i removed the front sway bar. i bet she runs a .50 anyway you 6 speed guys have some catching up to do. lol

 

PS. it was tuned by us and we dont know what we are doing. lol stock MAF and all. lol

 

It's always been my exp. that a m6 car can potentially put up a best time, once, then the rest or off by a tenth or more and the average is much lower. But with the auto its pretty much on the ball and much damn closer on the average given the PB. m6 guys need to be at the track every week and not change the combo to be as or near as consistant as a auto.

Thats def one thing I missed from my LTX car. But the stupid 4L60e couldnt hold together though

 

Hmmm! I wonder who's machine that is sounds like a friggin Nightmare to me lol! Sounds like alot of secret squirrel mods

 

We could argue this all day and it's fun as hell, but I'll leave it at this: have fun doing nothing with your left foot and next to nothing with your right hand.

 

haha, it is

 

Aaron, I'm gonna say this right now: you're flat our wrong about the 1.6 60's with the stock trans. The only runs I had with my stock trans was when the car was detuned and trapping 112. This was on Nittos and I ran mid 1.7 60' times, the same times you're running on slicks and skinnies with a ton more weight and less power. Give me the extra power I now have to trap 5mph higher plus these sticky ET Streets, not to mention better traction and a higher launch I'd be able to pull off and you're absolutely ignorant if you don't think I could shave .1 off my 60' with all of that. Don't be stupid. Just because you can't do it with your much heavier and weaker car doesn't mean I can't do it with mine. I'd almost be willing swap your transmission into my car for a few weeks just to prove you wrong. Again, I know the gearing of the new tranny is helping me, but with the traction issues it's causing on this setup, it's not helping me nearly as much as you think.

The difference between the two is not a 1.7 vs 1.6 like you keep saying, but a 1.6 vs a 1.5. I just can't hook up well enough yet with this trans to hit the 1.5 that it's clearly capable of. Ask Chef, he was standing on the line and saw me spinning my *** off on a 5000 RPM launch on the current setup and THAT was a 1.6 60'.

 

the left foot is needed to brace yourself on take off, and in between shifts the right hand can be used for many things like picking your nose, wacking off, pointing at you as he flys by you, then hitting the chute. lol


picking on a car that could give you a half track head start and still pass you like a freight train. lol thats funny as hell jl, watch out for this guy, he has a 6 speed

 

Haha, it's all in good fun; Jay and I are good friends. Hell, I helped him put that lightweight carpet in his car so he could hit those 9.5s. You don't think he crawled around that roll cage like that, did you? I just love to bust Jay's ball's about the auto thing because he is always trying to get me to swap to an auto and I'm always trying to get him to throw a stick in his car, and neither is going to happen. I have too much fun with my 6-speed and he has too much fun running 9s.

And he couldn't give me a half a track headstart and pass me! 1/4 track, yes.

 

Re check your TQ arm angle/pre load, move the LCA's to the bottom and set the tire PSI @ 14 and make sure your lined up in the groove.

I can argue all day too, and I have but Why dont you change your rear gear ratio back to 3.42's....??

If its not going to make a diff given your trans, then you should do it.

Here is a link to explain overall gear ratio, its basic but it explains it....

http://www.gears-manufacturers.com/gear-ratios.html (look at the bottokm graph)

Your trans..... x Your 4.10's = Over all

2.97 x 4.1 = 12.177
2.07 x 4.1 = 8.487
1.43 x 4.1 = 5.863
1.00 x 4.1 = 4.100
0.84 x 4.1 = 3.444
0.57 x 4.1 = 2.337

My Trans w/ 4.10's

2.66 x 4.1 = 10.906
1.78 x 4.1 = 7.298
1.30 x 4.1 = 5.330
1.00 x 4.1 = 4.100
0.74 x 4.1 = 3.034
0.50 x 4.1 = 2.050

Your trans w/ 3.42's

2.97 x 3.42 = 10.15

*** at this point anyone can do the math.

What I want explained is the physics and how if if you change the rear end gear, its a great thing and that the trans ratio isnt a great thing. You say traction but that can be fixed and you should be leaving even harder.

Just wondering since all the race cars I see run a serious gear and cannot too often swap out trans ratios put quite a steep gear in there. it leave the 60 foot as quick as possible.

Your trans is fine, I wish I had a 1st gear like that. be it in a 4L80e or a GTO m6, it does help the car.

I am not expecting to change minds, Id like someone to explain how this doesnt make sense.

**yes, its all in good fun. we will always be doing that.

 

i said i would never put an auto in my car as well.
3 tranny's 8 clutches or more, a few drive shafts. 3 12 bolts later, i decided on an auto. lol

 

Haha, well in the past two years I've done 4 clutches, 2 trannies plus a rebuild on each, 3 master cylinders, 2 shifters, 2 slave cylinders, new beefier driveshaft, and the 12-bolt, plus all the down time and tweaking (I'm no mechanic and it takes me a while to do the work myself unless my brother helps) and I'm not any closer to an auto than I was when I first bought the car and fell in love with the 6-speed. If anything, now that I've got it working well, I love it even more. Granted, there are times when you get depressed and want to burn the car to the ground, but even then I'd rather just burn it to the ground than put an auto in it.

You are also running a single-digit car vs my 11-second car, which makes a huge difference. I'm always well aware of that when Jay and I start arguing back and forth, just as he is. A six speed is a whole different animal when you're running that kind of power, although I think it would be badass to be rowing the gears to single digit time slips.

Who knows what the future holds, though. Priorities and likes/dislikes change. I could definitely see myself getting an auto car to compliment the 6-speed car one day, just to have one of each. Like I've said in the past, though, the fun of the 6-speed to me is that even without tweaking or chaning anything on the car, I can always go for a better timeslip by driving better and trying new techniques. Your options are limited in that department with the auto. After a few passes you have it dialed in and you need to start tweaking the setup to make it go faster.

 

Everyone I've ever talked to and anything I've ever read told me that you want your car just nearing redline when you're crossing the finish line to get maximum performance. As it sits, my shift light currently comes on (about 500 RPM before redline) just as I'm crossing the finish line. If I were to swap to a taller rear gear, that would put my redline FARTHER away from where I want it in fourth gear, whereas swapping the trans instead of the rear gear would keep it in the same spot since 4th gear is 1:1, while getting rid of that HORRIBLE dead spot between 3rd and 4th (keep in mind I drive a lot on the street) and also help my traction out since this is no race car with an all-out drag racing suspension. That is why I'd rather swap the trans back to stock gearing IF I was going to make the change, rather than swapping the rear gears.

Now, if I do the H/C/I setup I want and am out of fourth by the time I'm running through the traps, maybe I'd reconsider, but that setup won't be for quite some time since I don't have $5,000 laying around.

Oh and BTW, I shift to 3rd gear at about 80mph and trap 92 or so in the 1/8, so I'm in fourth gear WELL before the 1/8 mile if that gives you any indication of how big the gap between 3rd and 4th is in real world terms, not gear ratios. That and the traction are really what annoy me with this trans, not the fact that 1st and 2nd are real steep.

I'm hoping the lower control arm swap will help a bit with the traction issue. Ron and I are making that change tonight, so we'll find out soon enough.

 

i hear ya, thats why i got my vett. i missed hammerin gears on the street. street cars are fun as hell 6 speed without question. if you go towards race car, auto is the way.

rowing my car to 10.6 time slips with the twin turbo set up was fun as hell. 3800 pounds of car running that faster power shifting the **** out of it, yup. good times for sure.

 

That going to make a big diff, but on a cold street it will still hop but it should be alot less. But since your under there check the pinion angle. Ron should still have his guage.

I have one in Wolcott if yea dont. You can take a ride up, its sticking on my red tool chest.

Your suspension set up is pretty much the same as mine.

If you were willing to ditch the sway bar for track day only and take off that strut tower brace, I bet it would get that needed transfer and it shouldnt blow the tires off. Also going to a ET drag vs the ET street you have should help.

I know we go back and forth but like I say, in the end if someone is paying the bill, then they can tell yea what to do, until then do what yea want.