I'd like to talk about driving in the snow.
11-23-2011, 09:51 AM
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Last winter I bought Nokian Hakka 5s studded, and I can go places awd cars can't go with all season tires. I laugh at fwd cars as I go up hills lol. You do have to be very smooth with the gas and clutch though.
11-23-2011, 09:56 AM
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My opinion would be to buy a beater Jeep. Don't even drive an F-body in the snow if you can help it. You'll be happier in the long run. They are inexpensive and their 4WD systems are great. I've picked up 5 of my 6 Jeeps for less than $1500, all of which have lasted fine without issues. Look for a 4.0L motor, 91-06.
With several blizzards and record setting winters the past couple years, I speak from experience...
With several blizzards and record setting winters the past couple years, I speak from experience...
11-28-2011, 10:16 AM
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My opinion would be to buy a beater Jeep. Don't even drive an F-body in the snow if you can help it. You'll be happier in the long run. They are inexpensive and their 4WD systems are great. I've picked up 5 of my 6 Jeeps for less than $1500, all of which have lasted fine without issues. Look for a 4.0L motor, 91-06.
With several blizzards and record setting winters the past couple years, I speak from experience...
With several blizzards and record setting winters the past couple years, I speak from experience...
Just put some nice meaty A/T's on the Envoy so I'm ready for winter
11-28-2011, 10:34 AM
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realistically you'd be better off buying a beater for the winter..for the same money you'd spend on new wheels and tires you can find a good beater. depending on where you move to the snow can get pretty nasty at times and i dont care what kind of tires you have on your F-body, anything more than 5" of the powdery stuff and its a handfull...especially since not all of the roads get plowed. not to mention, would ya wanna take the chance of driving in the snow and have some old lady in a 92 Oldsmobile lose control and wreck ya?? lol.
11-28-2011, 01:25 PM
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some of you guys saying he'll be fine cracks me up! what happens when you reach a hill in a situation where you don't have any momentum? theres been a few times where I've barely made it up my road to my driveway w/ 4wd! of course cause I'm right on the ocean allot of times it rains before it turns to snow so we end up with a sheet of ice under the snow, GL w/ that w/o a 4wd beater unless you have studs on all 4corners!
11-28-2011, 02:53 PM
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some of you guys saying he'll be fine cracks me up! what happens when you reach a hill in a situation where you don't have any momentum? theres been a few times where I've barely made it up my road to my driveway w/ 4wd! of course cause I'm right on the ocean allot of times it rains before it turns to snow so we end up with a sheet of ice under the snow, GL w/ that w/o a 4wd beater unless you have studs on all 4corners!
and there are stock honda's that have issues in snow going up hill etc....
11-28-2011, 03:15 PM
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but seriously, obviously if you need a 4x4 to get through the mtns you shouldn't even be asking about snow with a f-body. if its snowing and you wanna go skiing, dont jump in a f-body but when comparing to an average 2wd sedan i think it is as capable as any..
stock springs, non-SLP or 1LE give great ground clearance, full gas, sand bag in the back, and tires.
11-28-2011, 04:39 PM
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Bought a 93 GC back in the day with about 140k on it for $500, put another $400 into it to get it road worthy and drove it for 4.5 yrs ended up with almost 240k miles on it. all I did was change the oil and beat the **** outta it
Just put some nice meaty A/T's on the Envoy so I'm ready for winter
Just put some nice meaty A/T's on the Envoy so I'm ready for winter
Found a used 4.0L with 88k miles on it at a local salvage yard for $400. Swapped it in and put tens of thousands more miles on it. My current '96 ZJ has 212k on it and runs great. I've replaced the water pump which cost me basically nothing Get a Jeep or other beater, please. Would you rather be shitting your pants driving your TA or enjoying yourself driving a beater here (North Jersey, back in October of this year):
Make the right decision!
11-29-2011, 03:04 PM
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a car that is properly setup
(snow tires) will almost always outperform a poorly setup car with a better design(4wd all seasons). I've been using snow tires for the past 4 winterrs on a cobalt ss/sc, sentra se-r spec v, ls1 ss without a problem in any of them. I actually went out in a blizzard for fun with my sentra. I was passing stuck suvs on hills without a problem. I actually had to stop on a hill cause of the suv and go from a stop without getting stuck. All of the people that are saying buy a beater are missing one key thing...the beater is gonna be as bad as any other car on all seasons in snow...you may not care about it cause its a beater, doesnt mean your not gonna get stuck somewhere.
also, look at buying snow tires as an investment because your gonna buy tires half as much. Your putting more out to start, but they're lasting a lot longer.
(snow tires) will almost always outperform a poorly setup car with a better design(4wd all seasons). I've been using snow tires for the past 4 winterrs on a cobalt ss/sc, sentra se-r spec v, ls1 ss without a problem in any of them. I actually went out in a blizzard for fun with my sentra. I was passing stuck suvs on hills without a problem. I actually had to stop on a hill cause of the suv and go from a stop without getting stuck. All of the people that are saying buy a beater are missing one key thing...the beater is gonna be as bad as any other car on all seasons in snow...you may not care about it cause its a beater, doesnt mean your not gonna get stuck somewhere.
also, look at buying snow tires as an investment because your gonna buy tires half as much. Your putting more out to start, but they're lasting a lot longer.
11-30-2011, 12:03 PM
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Ideal set up for me...
4wd capabile vehicle, possibly selectable 2w vs 4w in cab. (when its not snowing)
Studded Snows based on what brands I had prev listed. (Great for Ice / No momentum on hill situations)
Not quite Pickup / SUV weight / high center of gravity but more like a Subaru but not too light.
Manual so you can be selectable on gearing.
No Traction Control (more control)
Wide vehicle base.
Ample low RPM power (idle to 2k)
4wd capabile vehicle, possibly selectable 2w vs 4w in cab. (when its not snowing)
Studded Snows based on what brands I had prev listed. (Great for Ice / No momentum on hill situations)
Not quite Pickup / SUV weight / high center of gravity but more like a Subaru but not too light.
Manual so you can be selectable on gearing.
No Traction Control (more control)
Wide vehicle base.
Ample low RPM power (idle to 2k)
12-02-2011, 10:03 AM
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