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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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I like Ron Paul... I think he would make a great president. But I think his chances of winning the presidential nomination are slim to none.
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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I like Ron Paul... I think he would make a great president. But I think his chances of winning the presidential nomination are slim to none.

I agree Tim, But
He has more backing than people think and it grows daily!

We can only Vote and hope others do the same for the right Person and Reasons!

www.RonPaul2008.com

He was given a deadline to try and bring in money for the Campaign, that deadline was $500K by Sept. 30th. He had over $500K in a few days so he upped it to $1Million by the same date... Go to the page and see where the total stands. Last I checked it was at $764K+

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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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I like Ron Paul... I think he would make a great president. But I think his chances of winning the presidential nomination are slim to none.
More like..none to none. [I think he's a cool guy though] [he seems honest..I saw him on Colbert, and watched the Debate also....down to Earth...unfortunatly,no chance in HELL..of winning]

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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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I agree Tim, But
He has more backing than people think and it grows daily!

We can only Vote and hope others do the same for the right Person and Reasons!

www.RonPaul2008.com

He was given a deadline to try and bring in money for the Campaign, that deadline was $500K by Sept. 30th. He had over $500K in a few days so he upped it to $1Million by the same date... Go to the page and see where the total stands. Last I checked it was at $764K+

$250 of that is mine and another $18 shipped for two lawn signs
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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$250 of that is mine and another $18 shipped for two lawn signs

I didn't put that much up but I added as well. I might have a Windshield decal made for my GTO for when I race at ATCO in October.. Big GTO meet/event along with a GM Day... I figured it might be a little much, but would certainly get it out there!

"Racing Towards the Constitution.... Ron Paul 2008"
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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i think his intentions are good, but he is just way too naive. he thinks way too ideally, and doesnt consider a lot of the consequences that would pop up if he gets his way.
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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FIRST and foremost- he's a POLITICIAN like all the rest.. getting elected is primary, then the rest gets smaller and smaller in the rear-view mirror. Exceptions.. special circumstances.. different times.. expediancy.. blah-blah blah.

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FIRST and foremost- he's a POLITICIAN like all the rest.. getting elected is primary, then the rest gets smaller and smaller in the rear-view mirror. Exceptions.. special circumstances.. different times.. expediancy.. blah-blah blah.

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Tis' True.... BUT, We can hope right?
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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He is really much more a Libertarian than a Republican. But the two party system forces anyone who wants to be taken seriously to pick one or the other.

Can you imagine how things would be today if Dubya shared his non-interventionalist views?
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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A couple more to discuss:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ht1bo5UhOs
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Rep. John Dingell says his proposed plan for curbing greenhouse gases through higher taxes will likely include a "cap and trade" system for controlling carbon dioxide favored by several other lawmakers, and could give Detroit automakers an opening to sell more diesel-powered vehicles.

The Dearborn Democrat unveiled a draft outline of his proposal on his Web site today calling for a 50-cent-per-gallon increase in gasoline taxes and a $50-per-ton levy on carbon emissions from fossil fuels -- taxes that would likely generate hundreds of billions of dollars per year -- as well as a reduction in the tax deduction for home mortgage interest on houses larger than 3,000 square feet
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I have to say I am pretty impressed by Ron Paul so far, and I have never said that about a Republican. I think clearly the war and how to end it is the most pressing issue facing this country right now, and since the Democrats don't seem to have the ***** to do anything about it, maybe it's time to give this guy a chance.

On another note, Fox News literally makes me want to puke. The fact that they have the nerve to pass off lies, distortions, hype and flat out bullshit as "fair and balanced" reporting is a joke.

I give Ron Paul a LOT of credit for being willing to say what no one, Democrat or Republican, will: American foreign policy is largely to blame for 9/11. Of course the right wing spin army turned that into him saying "America caused 9/11" which is of course not true. Just think about what he is saying: How would we feel if China or Iran has military bases on our soil? Until our leaders are willing to acknowledge that Imperialist foreign policy sows the seeds of hatred around the world, we will never be safe from terrorism.
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At this point, after looking at the possible candidates, I don't see anyone else I would want to vote for at this point. I agree his chances are very slim that he would get elected, but his ideas are good, and at this point, putting someone in office that's another cookie cutter politician is not going to get things to change.

I agree, the federal goverment has gotten way to fat over the last x amount of years, especially under the current disasterous administration...... we need someone like ron paul to get in office and trim the fat. And if we don't like what he does, then we make the statement, do not reelect them.

That is the biggest problem in our goverment, all teh old fuggers that keep reelecting the same people over and over, it's those same people that keep making the same decisions that get us to where we are today.

Personally, when I go on the voting booth, I go in with a list of who's in office now, and if they are currently in office, I do not vote for them. A wholesale change of the people in washington, is the only way you will get washington to change IMO.
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Rep. John Dingell says his proposed plan for curbing greenhouse gases through higher taxes will likely include a "cap and trade" system for controlling carbon dioxide favored by several other lawmakers, and could give Detroit automakers an opening to sell more diesel-powered vehicles.

The Dearborn Democrat unveiled a draft outline of his proposal on his Web site today calling for a 50-cent-per-gallon increase in gasoline taxes and a $50-per-ton levy on carbon emissions from fossil fuels -- taxes that would likely generate hundreds of billions of dollars per year -- as well as a reduction in the tax deduction for home mortgage interest on houses larger than 3,000 square feet
They don't give a **** about green house gases... they just see an opportunity to make more $$$. If it was just about green house gases, they would draw up legislation and impose big fines on corporations breaking the new laws. A flat carbon tax such as this is just to raise capitol for one of their bullshit socialist projects.
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 01:33 PM
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I have to say I am pretty impressed by Ron Paul so far, and I have never said that about a Republican. I think clearly the war and how to end it is the most pressing issue facing this country right now, and since the Democrats don't seem to have the ***** to do anything about it, maybe it's time to give this guy a chance.

On another note, Fox News literally makes me want to puke. The fact that they have the nerve to pass off lies, distortions, hype and flat out bullshit as "fair and balanced" reporting is a joke.

I give Ron Paul a LOT of credit for being willing to say what no one, Democrat or Republican, will: American foreign policy is largely to blame for 9/11. Of course the right wing spin army turned that into him saying "America caused 9/11" which is of course not true. Just think about what he is saying: How would we feel if China or Iran has military bases on our soil? Until our leaders are willing to acknowledge that Imperialist foreign policy sows the seeds of hatred around the world, we will never be safe from terrorism.
Our foriegn policy is what is to blame for 9/11? Ya I will not argue the fact that it has pissed off certain groups of people, but Sept 11th happened because of radical muslims and their messed up views. They would prefer to live in a governmentless world, a world ruled my warring tribes. I really dont feel like getting deep into it as it is just an endless debate of opinions....

There is a reason why we have military bases throughout the world, it is to keep peace and have a show of force to a tyranical governments of the world. Also they are a staging point for mass movements of troops, equipment, and supplies. We are in Korea because of that crazy *** bastard to the north, and we are still there because he still is a threat to the surrounding countries and the world. We are still in Germany because Europe is a major staging point for like I said before. I know first hand about USAREUR bases closing and consolidating, I also know firsthand about terrorist threats against U.S. and European targets. Don't forget about the US Army hospital in Landstuhl which is imperative for soldiers wounded down range in Iraq and Afganistan. Not to mention the money we pump into the local host nations governments, both from leasing the land our installations are on, but also from the soldiers and family members stationed there. The US government employs thousands of host nation citizens to work on our installations also.

I am not much for debating as everyone has valid points and ideas to add to the conversation, so in my opinion you will just around in circles trying to prove your idea is right. I have more important things to worry about than getting all worked up by debating something, such as trying to find a job. This Ron Paul guy does have some interesting ideas, but seeing as I do not believe it a lot of his views he will never get my vote. It is all well and good, but like Mr. B said they will just tell you everything that you want to hear, then when they get into office they do what they want... I am not a political person for a reason, so I will just keep my nose out of it till election time gets closer... Just my opinions
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Personally, when I go on the voting booth, I go in with a list of who's in office now, and if they are currently in office, I do not vote for them. A wholesale change of the people in washington, is the only way you will get washington to change IMO.
Wipe the slate clean... and Start Over Using the Founding Fathers Ideas included in the Constitution!


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Wipe the slate clean... and Start Over Using the Founding Fathers Ideas included in the Constitution!



That's sort of the idea. The way I look at it, if you are not happy with the government, the only way to change it, is to change the people that are doing the job. Hence, my voting pratices.
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Our foriegn policy is what is to blame for 9/11? Ya I will not argue the fact that it has pissed off certain groups of people, but Sept 11th happened because of radical muslims and their messed up views. They would prefer to live in a governmentless world, a world ruled my warring tribes. I really dont feel like getting deep into it as it is just an endless debate of opinions....

There is a reason why we have military bases throughout the world, it is to keep peace and have a show of force to a tyranical governments of the world. Also they are a staging point for mass movements of troops, equipment, and supplies. We are in Korea because of that crazy *** bastard to the north, and we are still there because he still is a threat to the surrounding countries and the world. We are still in Germany because Europe is a major staging point for like I said before. I know first hand about USAREUR bases closing and consolidating, I also know firsthand about terrorist threats against U.S. and European targets. Don't forget about the US Army hospital in Landstuhl which is imperative for soldiers wounded down range in Iraq and Afganistan. Not to mention the money we pump into the local host nations governments, both from leasing the land our installations are on, but also from the soldiers and family members stationed there. The US government employs thousands of host nation citizens to work on our installations also.

I am not much for debating as everyone has valid points and ideas to add to the conversation, so in my opinion you will just around in circles trying to prove your idea is right. I have more important things to worry about than getting all worked up by debating something, such as trying to find a job. This Ron Paul guy does have some interesting ideas, but seeing as I do not believe it a lot of his views he will never get my vote. It is all well and good, but like Mr. B said they will just tell you everything that you want to hear, then when they get into office they do what they want... I am not a political person for a reason, so I will just keep my nose out of it till election time gets closer... Just my opinions
Hey Eric, what's up.
I just wanted to clarify, I am not necesarrily opposed to the U.S. military having bases on foreign soil, and I don't think Ron Paul is either. He also said he supports the military being used in a humanitarian role as well. I was more referring to the U.S. helping to install governments freindly to them, arming countries that support U.S. interests etc. The fact that the U.S. arms and supports Israel drives a lot of the hatred and resentment towards us in the Middle East. I know you said you didn't want to debate on here, and I don't blame you at all, I just didn't want you to think I was anti-military. And yes, no doubt countries like South Korea with heavily armed nut-jobs for neighbors are happy to have U.S. troops around, at least I would be if I were them.
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