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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Actually it's called learning how do drive a car.Too many people use parts to make up for there driving.
The only people I see doing that are people who still run a 10 bolt and dont have a decent tire on a car. They cant afford to break the 10 bolt at the track so they rev the car to the moon and then let out the clutch and slip it. Run 1.7-1.8 60 foots and never granade it but with in 10k miles or less (i do stress, less) are putting a new unit in.

I've helped with over 3 clutch installs for this reason, 2 Spec 3's and 1 Spec 3+, one of the drivers is now trying out a Ram and we will see.

I personally run a 38k stock z06 clutch, I have had about 20 passes this year and I have been practicing with all the techniques, slipping it created the most heat and lead to some blown runs. I do not have the will to powershift the tranny and I really dont have the $$$ laying around for a rebuild.

The kid has a real rear end in the car, use it. If he did a lil suspension work, kept the tires, and left off the limiter he would put a real time up, and I am willing to bet he can get 1.6 out of the car but again, its his money and his car.

Say what you will about driving, thats a given, you need practice. But having a lil help with some suspension will allow the car to be more consistant then not having it at all.

Edit: To reclarify, I 100% agree with learing how to drive is very important, I treat it like a "given". With out practice the car will never live up to its potential given the parts.

At the same time people gotta draw a line between what they want and what they can afford and fragging equipment is not cheap and when I met Blazin and GMAN we had a pretty long converation about that; when he launched a valve into a piston and it looked like a UFO at Roswell. That you can practice and keep that clutch living along time to come and at the same time run a great ET.

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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:32 AM
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People have gone 1.4s with complete stock suspension
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BlazinT/A
how do you guys hold the car in place when slipping the clutch
You don't just start slipping the clutch waiting there.Think of it as a hard street type of launch.You don't just pop it,you ease off it fast so the rear loads up.If you pop it like you are the tires just unload and spin. This is why alot of real fast manual cars run slipper clutches so they can pop it,then it slips a certain amount of time.

You can race a long time on a stock clutch.With my stock firehawk I made atleast 60 passes with the stock clutch and hammering the shifter.Just in driving I went from 13.8's to 12.8's with the same combo and probly 40-50 passes with around 10-18 passes a day.This car weighed 3750lbs.

When I got more serious with a H/C,12 bolt and small ET street's I ran a Mcleod clutch and put another 80 passes or so on it with numerous wheels up launches.

It's all in how you control the slip, too much will kill the clutch.Too little and the tires spin. It's practise.Go to the track alot.

Of course you could just go Auto and get the driving/launch down in 3-4 passes but I think M6's are just fun since there is so many variables.
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
You don't just start slipping the clutch waiting there.Think of it as a hard street type of launch.You don't just pop it,you ease off it fast so the rear loads up.If you pop it like you are the tires just unload and spin. This is why alot of real fast manual cars run slipper clutches so they can pop it,then it slips a certain amount of time.

You can race a long time on a stock clutch.With my stock firehawk I made atleast 60 passes with the stock clutch and hammering the shifter.Just in driving I went from 13.8's to 12.8's with the same combo and probly 40-50 passes with around 10-18 passes a day.This car weighed 3750lbs.

When I got more serious with a H/C,12 bolt and small ET street's I ran a Mcleod clutch and put another 80 passes or so on it with numerous wheels up launches.

It's all in how you control the slip, too much will kill the clutch.Too little and the tires spin. It's practise.Go to the track alot.

Of course you could just go Auto and get the driving/launch down in 3-4 passes but I think M6's are just fun since there is so many variables.
ill take the m6 over the auto, the fun factor is way better
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Krazy98Z28
People have gone 1.4s with complete stock suspension
That must have been awesome when they hit the water after being launched off of the aircraft carrier catapault.
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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Very nice times.
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BlazinT/A
ill take the m6 over the auto, the fun factor is way better

Same here. I'll take the skill and variables involved with the M6 over the Auto anyday on the race track!
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedy0009
Same here. I'll take the skill and variables involved with the M6 over the Auto anyday on the race track!
well i had a trans am that was an auto, wasnt half as fun. i hope i can get some money together so i can go sunday
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BlazinT/A
well i had a trans am that was an auto, wasnt half as fun. i hope i can get some money together so i can go sunday
Precisely. Good luck on Sunday! I'll be at Atco going for 10's!
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:11 PM
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Goos luck to both of you! There's nothing better than coming home with a new best timeslip!
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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good luck guys!

and drive the hell outta those 6speeds
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by badpewter-z
good luck guys!

and drive the hell outta those 6speeds

Thanks Keith.

And you know I'll be giving it all I have. The 18" Aluminum trailer just got dropped off at the house too!!
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ
Goos luck to both of you! There's nothing better than coming home with a new best timeslip!

I'm hoping to come home with a couple of these too:

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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedy0009
Thanks Keith.

And you know I'll be giving it all I have. The 18" Aluminum trailer just got dropped off at the house too!!
that offer still stands man
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ
That must have been awesome when they hit the water after being launched off of the aircraft carrier catapault.

Pay attention to Gator's 99TA post. And thats just 1 example, theres alot more.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/800534-whats-min-sus-mods-building-low-buck-setup.html

we have had guys locally running 100% stock suspension (like OE from the factory) go 1.49 60' at full weight.
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Old Oct 24, 2007 | 06:50 AM
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that is some good GM engineering
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