F1 Procharger vs. Vortech YSi
02-06-2009, 11:28 PM
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My combo is a 403 ci using et ls7 heads with a ysi vortec supercharger . We have always had belt issues with 8-10 rib serpentine systems. I then made a custom pulley gilmer belt which is 50mm. It has two eccentric pulleys to place tension on the belts . ill post a boost graph for you .
02-07-2009, 12:28 AM
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Can I just use a D1SC and put a small pulley on it to put out around 20 pounds of boost. I know it COULD be done just by looking at this spec chart I found on the Procharger web site. I guess the question is why don't most people do it that way?
http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml
If that is a bad idea for whatever reason, then do I need to be looking at F1C blowers, or is an F1A blower fine for making 800-900rwhp on my forged 347?
http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml
If that is a bad idea for whatever reason, then do I need to be looking at F1C blowers, or is an F1A blower fine for making 800-900rwhp on my forged 347?
I think a D1-SC will more than make you happy.
02-07-2009, 06:35 AM
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yea you definitely aren't pushing that blower.
there is a member here that did Pro Stock John's YSi setup and it was a low mount. I'd contact PSJ.
The only thing I didn't like about the RMCR kit and me having an SS is that I'd have to get a new hood.
The cog setup on the blower looks sound and must sound awesome.
You hear nothing but good things with the ATI's, Bob @ EPP is always posting the great numbers they make and it seems there's a lot of support if you have problems.
there is a member here that did Pro Stock John's YSi setup and it was a low mount. I'd contact PSJ.
The only thing I didn't like about the RMCR kit and me having an SS is that I'd have to get a new hood.
The cog setup on the blower looks sound and must sound awesome.
You hear nothing but good things with the ATI's, Bob @ EPP is always posting the great numbers they make and it seems there's a lot of support if you have problems.
02-07-2009, 12:44 PM
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02-14-2009, 12:58 PM
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The RMCR cog drive uses a 75T or 80T crank pulley with 30T to a 26T supercharger pulley. I know for a fact it works with a 6-speed and that they have driven it daily on there test car for 46,000 miles with the same belt.
03-08-2009, 01:34 PM
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F1C here love it. Driving the car i can barley hear it. With the windows down i can but doesnt seem to loud around 2k highway speeds.
but if you are standing on the side of the road when im up in the RPMS ranges it sound like a jet coming at you.
but if you are standing on the side of the road when im up in the RPMS ranges it sound like a jet coming at you.
03-08-2009, 06:20 PM
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Personally I'd go with the ATI. No experience with the Vortech - I like the looks of how it mounts, but the lack of clearance would be an issue. Plus Bob @ EPP has everything you need, will give you great service, and lots of people on here run them.
My D1 made over 600 rwhp, made it thru 2 yrs of mid 10 drag racing + a 100 mile open road race, and it's now on my neighbors car making 640 (cuz I upgraded to an F1-C to run 9s).
You will need dual fuel pumps, an FMIC, a race BOV, the right cam & so on, but EPP has it all, and all their combos are proven. And reliable 800 rwhp seems common-place for street cars with their setups. It's my goal...
My D1 made over 600 rwhp, made it thru 2 yrs of mid 10 drag racing + a 100 mile open road race, and it's now on my neighbors car making 640 (cuz I upgraded to an F1-C to run 9s).
You will need dual fuel pumps, an FMIC, a race BOV, the right cam & so on, but EPP has it all, and all their combos are proven. And reliable 800 rwhp seems common-place for street cars with their setups. It's my goal...
03-09-2009, 12:14 AM
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We've got a customer with a 427 LSx in a 3400lb race weight 72 Chevy Prostreeted truck that has gone 9.1 @ 145 on the lowest boost pulley setup (12-rib serp, pump gas with methanol) that we can get for it....that was first time out last month, havent even turned up the boost since its a new combo..
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We've got a customer with a 427 LSx in a 3400lb race weight 72 Chevy Prostreeted truck that has gone 9.1 @ 145 on the lowest boost pulley setup (12-rib serp, pump gas with methanol) that we can get for it....that was first time out last month, havent even turned up the boost since its a new combo..
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06-03-2009, 10:52 PM
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The Ysi uses engine oil lubrication where the PC uses a self contained oiling system. Not sure if that bothers you or not, but I did not want one system contaminating the other if there is a failure.
06-04-2009, 07:42 PM
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That setup, can it be run with a motor plate, meaning can the brackets be cut back the thickness of the plate so alignment won't be an issue, also using a BMR alt bracket (race)
Also, the YSI head unit, how big is that compared to an f1r? And would the procharger F1R head unit fit there?
I'm gonna have to make about 1000 to 1100 rwhp I think to get where I want to be fwiw. Race gas, 402 inch motor, compression ratio can be made to whatever, as I will have a set of dish pistons made to get where I need to be (-25cc should put me to about 9.5 to 1)
Also, the YSI head unit, how big is that compared to an f1r? And would the procharger F1R head unit fit there?
I'm gonna have to make about 1000 to 1100 rwhp I think to get where I want to be fwiw. Race gas, 402 inch motor, compression ratio can be made to whatever, as I will have a set of dish pistons made to get where I need to be (-25cc should put me to about 9.5 to 1)
06-04-2009, 08:11 PM
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I'm not lookign to go small on the cam, I'll put a big stick in the car I am not afraid to do that, I was talking to a couple people about that and a 244/258 on a 115 with 6.teen lift was what we came up with as a good race cam.
fuel will be c16, that's not an issue either. I have a set of ET 240 heads already, I was gonna send them back to Cary and see if I can get him to go thru them, maybe run the 255 program on them if posible, touch them up at least.
I wanted to put his simgle plane intake on but I think it's too tall to fit even under the new ws6 hood that I just bought from VFN.
Tubing, inercooler all that is gonna be custom I already know that, car's full race, only thing I'm intrested in doing is making enough power to have a high MPH'ing 8.50 index car, tha can go a season, or about 75 runs before I need to freshen the motor, at leasdt I hope. Something I can set up to leave easy and consistant, and run the back 1/2 of the track like a **** so the guys that are trying to pedal on the top end that think they have me covered will be in for a little surprise.
fuel will be c16, that's not an issue either. I have a set of ET 240 heads already, I was gonna send them back to Cary and see if I can get him to go thru them, maybe run the 255 program on them if posible, touch them up at least.
I wanted to put his simgle plane intake on but I think it's too tall to fit even under the new ws6 hood that I just bought from VFN.
Tubing, inercooler all that is gonna be custom I already know that, car's full race, only thing I'm intrested in doing is making enough power to have a high MPH'ing 8.50 index car, tha can go a season, or about 75 runs before I need to freshen the motor, at leasdt I hope. Something I can set up to leave easy and consistant, and run the back 1/2 of the track like a **** so the guys that are trying to pedal on the top end that think they have me covered will be in for a little surprise.
06-04-2009, 09:50 PM
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I've tried the YSi, F1A, F1C and F1R. All the F series blowers are loud. The YSi-it's loud-but not as obnoxious.
They will all make over 850 rwhp, F1C, F1R and YSi-will make over 900.
F1R is the baddest bitch of them all, the YSi and F1C are right behind it.
Any of these blowers are 8 second capable, the F1R is 7 second capable.
No matter which of these blowers you choose the belt is going to have to be damn tight and the pulley's aligned 100% or your going to have issues.
Currently-I'm enjoying my YSi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrzYsvEbrcA
They will all make over 850 rwhp, F1C, F1R and YSi-will make over 900.
F1R is the baddest bitch of them all, the YSi and F1C are right behind it.
Any of these blowers are 8 second capable, the F1R is 7 second capable.
No matter which of these blowers you choose the belt is going to have to be damn tight and the pulley's aligned 100% or your going to have issues.
Currently-I'm enjoying my YSi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrzYsvEbrcA
06-05-2009, 04:27 AM
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Loud is fine I don't care about that one bit.
Maybe if there's so much concern with the belt and whatnot the F2 would be a better idea, just go with a big cog and call it a day? Are the belt issues the same with the above pictured setup with the cog belt?
Maybe if there's so much concern with the belt and whatnot the F2 would be a better idea, just go with a big cog and call it a day? Are the belt issues the same with the above pictured setup with the cog belt?