Interest in a 275 class for LSX Shootout????
Pro stock is probably right we ran a 88mm some last year and managed a 5.30@140 @3350lb. so that would be a low low 8@170+ no matter the tire.
I like the idea of this class sounds interesting I just hope you guys can find a happy median with the rules? Good ******* luck!!
I like the idea of this class sounds interesting I just hope you guys can find a happy median with the rules? Good ******* luck!!
Pro stock is probably right we ran a 88mm some last year and managed a 5.30@140 @3350lb. so that would be a low low 8@170+ no matter the tire.
I like the idea of this class sounds interesting I just hope you guys can find a happy median with the rules? Good ******* luck!!
I like the idea of this class sounds interesting I just hope you guys can find a happy median with the rules? Good ******* luck!!
That was running which 88mm?? GT47-88, GT55-88 or bell'd PT88/98? Sounds like around 1200rwhp....so I would think its a 88/98. Limit the class to T4 true flange units and 88mm.
Why not just limit it to a 80mm turbo? Don't even get into the flange sizing. If that makes the turbo guys underdogs, then so be it? It would be nice to see the turbo guys on an uphill battle
You can't....limiting them to just a wheel size and not a flange means cut down thumpers...plain and simple. True T4 and no cut down or studded T6 flanges will make the class easier to regulate.
I think a 275 class would be a fun intermediate. Everyone knows the 6 or so racers that are going to make the DR class competitive every year. I think it gives the rest of us who aren't on a mega budget the ability to be competitive or at least the idea that there is a chance to win. There's plenty of quick nitrous guys out there on DRs that didn't even bother showing up to the shoot out last year because of that.
I'm guessing the OH Boys ran a 88/98.
NMRA Drag Radial has run low 8's with a cheater 88/98, so that would be out unless you wanted the class that fast right off the bat.
Wayne, I'm suggesting a 76mm mid frame... So maybe a fogger, but limited on pill size.
NMRA Drag Radial has run low 8's with a cheater 88/98, so that would be out unless you wanted the class that fast right off the bat.
Wayne, I'm suggesting a 76mm mid frame... So maybe a fogger, but limited on pill size.
Keep turbos and blowers at 3400, no motor plates, 275-60-15 max, max of YSi, Turbo true midframe 88, dunno about ATI blower, and nitrous gets one plate no foggers.
If you want to make it even slower, limit to 3400 for turbo/blower, max of 80mm mid frame turbo, Vortech T-Trim, and D1SC. That will start out as a low to mid 9 second class.
If you want to make it even slower, limit to 3400 for turbo/blower, max of 80mm mid frame turbo, Vortech T-Trim, and D1SC. That will start out as a low to mid 9 second class.
Just curious, but why no motor plate? For something like this would the chassis have to be factory equipped with an ls based motor or are swap cars allowed?
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I think they should limit turbo size, pill size, and set weight limits based on cubic inches.
Something like nmca street race class
Small Block 400 Naturally Aspirated 2900
Small Block 310 Nitrous 2900
Small Block 360 Nitrous 3100
Small Block 400 Nitrous 3300
Small Block 310 Supercharged 3300
Small Block 360 Supercharged 3400
Small Block 360 Turbocharged 3400
Obviously alter these to be lsx based. Limiting the turbo to a t4 flange would really slow the turbo cars down.
Something like nmca street race class
Small Block 400 Naturally Aspirated 2900
Small Block 310 Nitrous 2900
Small Block 360 Nitrous 3100
Small Block 400 Nitrous 3300
Small Block 310 Supercharged 3300
Small Block 360 Supercharged 3400
Small Block 360 Turbocharged 3400
Obviously alter these to be lsx based. Limiting the turbo to a t4 flange would really slow the turbo cars down.
I was just brainstorming when I suggested no motor plate, I'm not personally wedded to that, and in fact the retrofit setups might mostly have motor plates if they are race cars.
jmill, I know a little bit to how the NMCA guys think, and I think you should make an effort to distinguish this proposal from the current drag radial class. So my last suggestion would be:
275-60-15
Vortech: Max of T-Trim
ATI: Max of D1SC
Turbo: Max of 76mm T4 flange (flange is Dr. Turbo's suggestion, great idea)
Nitrous, singe plate (max jet 7_? ) or fogger (max jets 25's?) Try to cap it at 300 shot
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Blower and turbo cars run at 3400 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
Nitrous cars run at 3300 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
All motor cars run at 3100, max cubes 500ci
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+ 50 for Liberty or Jericho
You'd have a 9.00 - 9.50 class first year.
jmill, I know a little bit to how the NMCA guys think, and I think you should make an effort to distinguish this proposal from the current drag radial class. So my last suggestion would be:
275-60-15
Vortech: Max of T-Trim
ATI: Max of D1SC
Turbo: Max of 76mm T4 flange (flange is Dr. Turbo's suggestion, great idea)
Nitrous, singe plate (max jet 7_? ) or fogger (max jets 25's?) Try to cap it at 300 shot
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Blower and turbo cars run at 3400 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
Nitrous cars run at 3300 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
All motor cars run at 3100, max cubes 500ci
---------
No Bruno lenco
+ 50 for Liberty or Jericho
You'd have a 9.00 - 9.50 class first year.
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I agree about distinguishing it from Drag Radial. As I said in the Nitrous section, Drag Radial is the "crown jewel" of the shootout. If this class were to take any cars away from DR, they wouldn't give us the time of day.
John, I think limiting the nitrous is going to turn people off about the whole deal. The more people that can be involved, the better. If it would mean loosening up on the turbo side, so be it. The whole thing we need to think about is --How do we have the fastest class possible, yet maintain a solid field? This is what I fought when I had my event at Alaska Raceway Park. A full second spread isn't so bad when you have a 32 car field, but a full second kills a class when there are only 8-10 cars.
John, I think limiting the nitrous is going to turn people off about the whole deal. The more people that can be involved, the better. If it would mean loosening up on the turbo side, so be it. The whole thing we need to think about is --How do we have the fastest class possible, yet maintain a solid field? This is what I fought when I had my event at Alaska Raceway Park. A full second spread isn't so bad when you have a 32 car field, but a full second kills a class when there are only 8-10 cars.
I was just brainstorming when I suggested no motor plate, I'm not personally wedded to that, and in fact the retrofit setups might mostly have motor plates if they are race cars.
jmill, I know a little bit to how the NMCA guys think, and I think you should make an effort to distinguish this proposal from the current drag radial class. So my last suggestion would be:
275-60-15
Vortech: Max of T-Trim
ATI: Max of D1SC
Turbo: Max of 76mm T4 flange (flange is Dr. Turbo's suggestion, great idea)
Nitrous, singe plate (max jet 7_? ) or fogger (max jets 25's?) Try to cap it at 300 shot
---------
Blower and turbo cars run at 3400 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
Nitrous cars run at 3300 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
All motor cars run at 3100, max cubes 500ci
---------
No Bruno lenco
+ 50 for Liberty or Jericho
You'd have a 9.00 - 9.50 class first year.
jmill, I know a little bit to how the NMCA guys think, and I think you should make an effort to distinguish this proposal from the current drag radial class. So my last suggestion would be:
275-60-15
Vortech: Max of T-Trim
ATI: Max of D1SC
Turbo: Max of 76mm T4 flange (flange is Dr. Turbo's suggestion, great idea)
Nitrous, singe plate (max jet 7_? ) or fogger (max jets 25's?) Try to cap it at 300 shot
---------
Blower and turbo cars run at 3400 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
Nitrous cars run at 3300 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
All motor cars run at 3100, max cubes 500ci
---------
No Bruno lenco
+ 50 for Liberty or Jericho
You'd have a 9.00 - 9.50 class first year.
Unfortunately so. With a T6 flange, none of you guys would have a chance. Someone will show up with a Thumper and a 94mm wheel cut down to 76mm inducer tips with a G-trim turbine and 400ci motor. No way is that fair.....see my point.
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I was just brainstorming when I suggested no motor plate, I'm not personally wedded to that, and in fact the retrofit setups might mostly have motor plates if they are race cars.
jmill, I know a little bit to how the NMCA guys think, and I think you should make an effort to distinguish this proposal from the current drag radial class. So my last suggestion would be:
275-60-15
Vortech: Max of T-Trim
ATI: Max of D1SC
Turbo: Max of 76mm T4 flange (flange is Dr. Turbo's suggestion, great idea)
Nitrous, singe plate (max jet 7_? ) or fogger (max jets 25's?) Try to cap it at 300 shot
---------
Blower and turbo cars run at 3400 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
Nitrous cars run at 3300 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
All motor cars run at 3100, max cubes 500ci
---------
No Bruno lenco
+ 50 for Liberty or Jericho
You'd have a 9.00 - 9.50 class first year.
jmill, I know a little bit to how the NMCA guys think, and I think you should make an effort to distinguish this proposal from the current drag radial class. So my last suggestion would be:
275-60-15
Vortech: Max of T-Trim
ATI: Max of D1SC
Turbo: Max of 76mm T4 flange (flange is Dr. Turbo's suggestion, great idea)
Nitrous, singe plate (max jet 7_? ) or fogger (max jets 25's?) Try to cap it at 300 shot
---------
Blower and turbo cars run at 3400 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
Nitrous cars run at 3300 w/346ci, add 100 lbs for 400ci and bigger
All motor cars run at 3100, max cubes 500ci
---------
No Bruno lenco
+ 50 for Liberty or Jericho
You'd have a 9.00 - 9.50 class first year.
give the nitrous guys a chance
class record on a 275 bfg is 8.79 157mph (nitrous car)
nitrous cars need to be lighter 3200 and na cars 3000
sounds like would be bad *** class
building 331 cu ls2 with 72 for the nmca street radial class