Interest in a 275 class for LSX Shootout????
Look, last year the nitrous cars complained about every little thing to get the rules changed and still NONE of them showed up. We brought one car just to help promote the race. You will never make it a level playing field with turbo and nitrous LSX's unless you run them 1/8 mile which the NMCA and fans are not going to want to do. The LSX drag radial class was designed to see just how fast guys can go with LSX powered street cars. They need to keep the rules simple, any stock suspension LSX powered car with any kind of power adder running on a drag radial with no wheelie bars. Yes I know the field will be full of turbo cars, but they will be 7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits which makes it exciting for the fans. Fans want to see cars doing wheelies, blowing the tires off, and incredible 1/4 mile times from such stock appearing cars. The NMCA will need to have a seperate class for the nitrous cars, plain an simple.
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Look, last year the nitrous cars complained about every little thing to get the rules changed and still NONE of them showed up. We brought one car just to help promote the race. You will never make it a level playing field with turbo and nitrous LSX's unless you run them 1/8 mile which the NMCA and fans are not going to want to do. The LSX drag radial class was designed to see just how fast guys can go with LSX powered street cars. They need to keep the rules simple, any stock suspension LSX powered car with any kind of power adder running on a drag radial with no wheelie bars. Yes I know the field will be full of turbo cars, but they will be 7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits which makes it exciting for the fans. Fans want to see cars doing wheelies, blowing the tires off, and incredible 1/4 mile times from such stock appearing cars. The NMCA will need to have a seperate class for the nitrous cars, plain an simple.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
With all due respect, why are you even posting in this thread if you feel like this? You guys have/had a great program. No doubt about it. Believe it or not, not everyone on this board that loves to race has a 100K program. Drag radial has it's place and no one is trying to take anything away from it. I'm glad you think the fans only care about seeing your 7 sec. turbo cars. If that's the case, you should be asking the NMCA for show money or a piece of the gate.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
Well said.
Not everyone has a shop car.
I can go 1hr from home and get stomped by Vrettos and Stine in the first round, no need to travel 16hrs to do it in Memphis.
Good luck to everyone at the LSX shootout this year.
With all due respect, why are you even posting in this thread if you feel like this? You guys have/had a great program. No doubt about it. Believe it or not, not everyone on this board that loves to race has a 100K program. Drag radial has it's place and no one is trying to take anything away from it. I'm glad you think the fans only care about seeing your 7 sec. turbo cars. If that's the case, you should be asking the NMCA for show money or a piece of the gate.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
With all due respect, why are you even posting in this thread if you feel like this? You guys have/had a great program. No doubt about it. Believe it or not, not everyone on this board that loves to race has a 100K program. Drag radial has it's place and no one is trying to take anything away from it. I'm glad you think the fans only care about seeing your 7 sec. turbo cars. If that's the case, you should be asking the NMCA for show money or a piece of the gate.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
With all due respect, why are you even posting in this thread if you feel like this? You guys have/had a great program. No doubt about it. Believe it or not, not everyone on this board that loves to race has a 100K program. Drag radial has it's place and no one is trying to take anything away from it. I'm glad you think the fans only care about seeing your 7 sec. turbo cars. If that's the case, you should be asking the NMCA for show money or a piece of the gate.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
If you don't want any part of it, I understand. These would be 2 entirely seperate classes giving not only the nitrous guys, but also some of the non "7 sec turbo cars pushing the LSX to the limits" guys a place to race in a heads up format.
I am sorry if you are talking about a seperate class all together. I am just refering to the Outlaw Drag Radial Class. I think it would be a good idea to have something for the nitrous guys, but only two showed up and we were one of them. We just love to race no matter if we are out gunned or not. That is why we brought one nitrous car and one turbo car. Believe it or not but our turbo car was no $100k car. It was put together with alot of my old parts laying around the shop. Now our new car we are building is a different story. We will have the best of the best parts on it. I am sorry for putting in my 2 cents. Did not mean for this thread to get off subject.
I don't own a 100k car, or a 7second LSx car, but i do enjoy seeing them run. I do think it's cars like Wormboy that draw the crowds. I agree there needs to be a heads up class aimed at the 9second crowd. If that means room for the nitrous guys, so be it.
I really enjoyed watching the nitrous cars, albeit a small # of them, at the shootout this year. That being said, if they fit into a class, great! But i think you'd be crazy to build a class directly for a group that refuses to show themselves in #'s unless the class is built for them. I think a 275 class with proper regulations to put everyone in the 9second range would be great!
I also agree with Wormboy: take the leash off the outlaw DR class. I want to see what those cars can do! Not have them limited on tire or power adder in any way. Who doesn't want to see what the LSx can do in a no-holds-barred format?!
I think Jmillz theory is a great one. I just hope the class restrictions don't get so tight that only a short short list will show. I have no problem losing to a faster car. It's the experience that matters for most of the 9-10 second guys at the once a year event. Hell, I had catastrophic trans failure on on Friday that put me on the trailer after 2 passes this past year, and paid full entry fee for the whole weekend. I still had a blast, and fully plan on going next year.
Just allow the class to be as open as possible. Try not to over-regulate. If a car doesn't fit for whatever reason, add weight to the car, don't DQ it. I don't mind it. No way i will be competitive(It seems i always need more power/motor to go the same et's as the average guy) so i will probably be excluded from the class, even though i will be in the 9second range. I would mind carrying some weight just to get in the class though.
I really enjoyed watching the nitrous cars, albeit a small # of them, at the shootout this year. That being said, if they fit into a class, great! But i think you'd be crazy to build a class directly for a group that refuses to show themselves in #'s unless the class is built for them. I think a 275 class with proper regulations to put everyone in the 9second range would be great!
I also agree with Wormboy: take the leash off the outlaw DR class. I want to see what those cars can do! Not have them limited on tire or power adder in any way. Who doesn't want to see what the LSx can do in a no-holds-barred format?!
I think Jmillz theory is a great one. I just hope the class restrictions don't get so tight that only a short short list will show. I have no problem losing to a faster car. It's the experience that matters for most of the 9-10 second guys at the once a year event. Hell, I had catastrophic trans failure on on Friday that put me on the trailer after 2 passes this past year, and paid full entry fee for the whole weekend. I still had a blast, and fully plan on going next year.
Just allow the class to be as open as possible. Try not to over-regulate. If a car doesn't fit for whatever reason, add weight to the car, don't DQ it. I don't mind it. No way i will be competitive(It seems i always need more power/motor to go the same et's as the average guy) so i will probably be excluded from the class, even though i will be in the 9second range. I would mind carrying some weight just to get in the class though.
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I say let the S/C and small turbo guys in and the class will be bigger (more cars) than Drag Radial.
1. .400 Pro Tree heads up racing.
2. Engine and Min weight:
Small block nitrous 347-400ci. - 2800 lbs
400+ - 3100lbs
Small block S/C and Turbo 76mm: 3100 lbs
Small block turbo gt 47/88 mm or Y2K or straight 88, 3400 lbs
3. Fuel: Gasoline ONLY. No alcohol allowed.
4.Supercharger: Pro charger single only, max F1R or smaller, Vortec VSI , X or smaller.
Turbo: single straight 47/88 mm or Y2K
5.Body: All steel with the exception of hood, scoop, deck lid, bumpers. windows must work, Lexan is allowed.
6. Interior: Factory dash and finished interior.
7. Chassis: Stock frame in stock location, stock firewall in stock locations, rear frame may be notched but not
relocated, factory suspensions for make and body of car,any tubular bolt-in K member or front frame permitted
(NO full chassis cars) rack and pinion permitted, ladder bar allowed add 100lbs, No electric shocks, no
wheelie bars.
8. Tire Size: 275/60/15 DOT radial or smaller from any manufacture.
9. Exhaust: All vehicles must be muffled, no collector mufflers.
I say let the S/C and small turbo guys in and the class will be bigger (more cars) than Drag Radial.
1. .400 Pro Tree heads up racing.
2. Engine and Min weight:
Small block nitrous 347-400ci. - 2800 lbs
400+ - 3100lbs
Small block S/C and Turbo 76mm: 3100 lbs
Small block turbo gt 47/88 mm or Y2K or straight 88, 3400 lbs
3. Fuel: Gasoline ONLY. No alcohol allowed.
4.Supercharger: Pro charger single only, max F1R or smaller, Vortec VSI , X or smaller.
Turbo: single straight 47/88 mm or Y2K
5.Body: All steel with the exception of hood, scoop, deck lid, bumpers. windows must work, Lexan is allowed.
6. Interior: Factory dash and finished interior.
7. Chassis: Stock frame in stock location, stock firewall in stock locations, rear frame may be notched but not
relocated, factory suspensions for make and body of car,any tubular bolt-in K member or front frame permitted
(NO full chassis cars) rack and pinion permitted, ladder bar allowed add 100lbs, No electric shocks, no
wheelie bars.
8. Tire Size: 275/60/15 DOT radial or smaller from any manufacture.
9. Exhaust: All vehicles must be muffled, no collector mufflers.
If you can run anywhere from 9.5 or faster you would have a good shot. these little tires will give the BIG power guys fits out of the hole. If they spin you win. 
There is a similar class coming up this year locally (allowing BB on 1 stage) and its going to be HUGE !!
Anyone see a combo that has a big advantage?
There is a similar class coming up this year locally (allowing BB on 1 stage) and its going to be HUGE !!
Anyone see a combo that has a big advantage?