APS 346 dyno 599/543
03-22-2009, 02:10 PM
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Big bird we have seen so much opinion on what cam to get..duration,split or no split, reverse or normal..high or low lsas..
Here are some full numbers from guy with 402 with my cam and our afr 225 heads,standard aps kit..
Think my gt7 seems to work pretty good in his car I would be pretty happy with the same numbers especially the torque...
Sorry no dyno graph..
1.606rwhp -640trq - 7.6 psi. 91 pump gas ( my wife drives the car with no problems
2.656rwhp -670trq 9.0 psi
3.707rwhp -773trq 11.6psi
4.736rwhp -812trq 13. psi
car makes 735rwhp(over 840 HP at the crank) on 13psi 812rwtrq(over 900 TRQ at the crank) ..car is a beast. will do the 1/4 LOW 10'S AND over 138+ mph.
I guess dyno your combo although you will have your different center carts and I will also not have standard carts in mine. So that will make comparisons a bit harder.I sent you a pm.
Here are some full numbers from guy with 402 with my cam and our afr 225 heads,standard aps kit..
Think my gt7 seems to work pretty good in his car I would be pretty happy with the same numbers especially the torque...
Sorry no dyno graph..
1.606rwhp -640trq - 7.6 psi. 91 pump gas ( my wife drives the car with no problems
2.656rwhp -670trq 9.0 psi
3.707rwhp -773trq 11.6psi
4.736rwhp -812trq 13. psi
car makes 735rwhp(over 840 HP at the crank) on 13psi 812rwtrq(over 900 TRQ at the crank) ..car is a beast. will do the 1/4 LOW 10'S AND over 138+ mph.
I guess dyno your combo although you will have your different center carts and I will also not have standard carts in mine. So that will make comparisons a bit harder.I sent you a pm.
03-23-2009, 07:35 AM
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i might try the stock centers first. so we can compare. but i will be a 377ci with a 10:1 compression( got to love e85 
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honestly i just dont want a lope. i like the stock sound. so i think my 228/228 with 115 with be to lopy.
)honestly i just dont want a lope. i like the stock sound. so i think my 228/228 with 115 with be to lopy.
03-23-2009, 09:09 AM
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Well get a gt7 or the z06 equivalent..
05-07 ZO6 cam 210/230 .561/.557 –120.5 LSA
Lingenfelter GT7 208/230 .554/.546 –121CL
By going to 1.8 rockers which are fine with the gt7 I get like 590 lift and bit more duration.
I think if had a custom one made would run something like 232/240 590 to 600 lift and 117. Think that would do a pretty good job. Bit tighter on the duration split,still stay 600 or bit under on lift and a 117 shouldn't be noticealbe for lope. My cam sounds stock for lope.
05-07 ZO6 cam 210/230 .561/.557 –120.5 LSA
Lingenfelter GT7 208/230 .554/.546 –121CL
By going to 1.8 rockers which are fine with the gt7 I get like 590 lift and bit more duration.
I think if had a custom one made would run something like 232/240 590 to 600 lift and 117. Think that would do a pretty good job. Bit tighter on the duration split,still stay 600 or bit under on lift and a 117 shouldn't be noticealbe for lope. My cam sounds stock for lope.
03-23-2009, 04:23 PM
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Well get a gt7 or the z06 equivalent..
05-07 ZO6 cam 210/230 .561/.557 –120.5 LSA
Lingenfelter GT7 208/230 .554/.546 –121CL
By going to 1.8 rockers which are fine with the gt7 I get like 590 lift and bit more duration.
I think if had a custom one made would run something like 232/240 590 to 600 lift and 117. Think that would do a pretty good job. Bit tighter on the duration split,still stay 600 or bit under on lift and a 117 shouldn't be noticealbe for lope. My cam sounds stock for lope.
05-07 ZO6 cam 210/230 .561/.557 –120.5 LSA
Lingenfelter GT7 208/230 .554/.546 –121CL
By going to 1.8 rockers which are fine with the gt7 I get like 590 lift and bit more duration.
I think if had a custom one made would run something like 232/240 590 to 600 lift and 117. Think that would do a pretty good job. Bit tighter on the duration split,still stay 600 or bit under on lift and a 117 shouldn't be noticealbe for lope. My cam sounds stock for lope.
I'm in the process of purchasing a cam my self for FI, the LS6 from my understanding is a pretty daym decent boost cam : 207/218 .525/.525 Lift 117 LSA: a lot of folks strongly suggest it, i don't know enough about camshaft properties or calculations to say if its good or not, but I do know its nice and quiet
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03-23-2009, 08:39 PM
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NICE numbers. Did you drool on your dyno sheet? It looks like you did! I know I would if it were my car.
There's another stock displacement car on the board that put down 555 RWHP with an APS kit and blower cam (IIRC) but I think the automatic tranny that one has probably accounts for much of the difference. Just thinking off the top of my head, as I don't recall every little detail of that car's build.
There's another stock displacement car on the board that put down 555 RWHP with an APS kit and blower cam (IIRC) but I think the automatic tranny that one has probably accounts for much of the difference. Just thinking off the top of my head, as I don't recall every little detail of that car's build.
03-30-2009, 04:27 AM
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Big bird we have seen so much opinion on what cam to get..duration,split or no split, reverse or normal..high or low lsas..
Here are some full numbers from guy with 402 with my cam and our afr 225 heads,standard aps kit..
Think my gt7 seems to work pretty good in his car I would be pretty happy with the same numbers especially the torque...
Sorry no dyno graph..
1.606rwhp -640trq - 7.6 psi. 91 pump gas ( my wife drives the car with no problems
2.656rwhp -670trq 9.0 psi
3.707rwhp -773trq 11.6psi
4.736rwhp -812trq 13. psi
car makes 735rwhp(over 840 HP at the crank) on 13psi 812rwtrq(over 900 TRQ at the crank) ..car is a beast. will do the 1/4 LOW 10'S AND over 138+ mph.
I guess dyno your combo although you will have your different center carts and I will also not have standard carts in mine. So that will make comparisons a bit harder.I sent you a pm.
Here are some full numbers from guy with 402 with my cam and our afr 225 heads,standard aps kit..
Think my gt7 seems to work pretty good in his car I would be pretty happy with the same numbers especially the torque...
Sorry no dyno graph..
1.606rwhp -640trq - 7.6 psi. 91 pump gas ( my wife drives the car with no problems
2.656rwhp -670trq 9.0 psi
3.707rwhp -773trq 11.6psi
4.736rwhp -812trq 13. psi
car makes 735rwhp(over 840 HP at the crank) on 13psi 812rwtrq(over 900 TRQ at the crank) ..car is a beast. will do the 1/4 LOW 10'S AND over 138+ mph.
I guess dyno your combo although you will have your different center carts and I will also not have standard carts in mine. So that will make comparisons a bit harder.I sent you a pm.
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If you don't mind, who ground the cam?
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Its a comp cam through EPP. Just bought one myself and cant wait for it to get in the car.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com....html?item=679
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com....html?item=679
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On a stock bottom end the upper boost limit with some factor of safety is 8psi right? I think that is what I have read a ton of times that over 8 isn't recommended on a stock bottom end, so congrats to pull the huge number and not going overkill with the boost on the stock bottom end.
I might have found my build as well...I dont like the intercooler set up though, I want a more traditional look. I was pretty much sold on procharging my car but with those kind of number it makes me think again. I think stock engines with prochargers at 8psi are lucky to get a few hp over 500.
I might have found my build as well...I dont like the intercooler set up though, I want a more traditional look. I was pretty much sold on procharging my car but with those kind of number it makes me think again. I think stock engines with prochargers at 8psi are lucky to get a few hp over 500.
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On a stock bottom end the upper boost limit with some factor of safety is 8psi right? I think that is what I have read a ton of times that over 8 isn't recommended on a stock bottom end, so congrats to pull the huge number and not going overkill with the boost on the stock bottom end.
I might have found my build as well...I dont like the intercooler set up though, I want a more traditional look. I was pretty much sold on procharging my car but with those kind of number it makes me think again. I think stock engines with prochargers at 8psi are lucky to get a few hp over 500.
I might have found my build as well...I dont like the intercooler set up though, I want a more traditional look. I was pretty much sold on procharging my car but with those kind of number it makes me think again. I think stock engines with prochargers at 8psi are lucky to get a few hp over 500.
03-30-2009, 09:51 PM
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Don't have firsthand experience with the APS kits, but I like Procharger.
03-30-2009, 10:05 PM
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Comparing boost is not the best way to compare. Different turbos can put out very different power levels. The real measure is aiflow. This shows true power better than simply how much boost a person runs.
That said they say turbos are more efficient than superchargers and also if you compare turbo dyno charts to centrificals there are huge difference in area under the curve and in the powerband in general.
Person really needs to drive both setups on comparable cars to see the differences more closely. All the power adders can work well and all have their pros and cons. I prefer turbos but still wouldn't mind a procharger on my 96z for something different. And wouldn't mind a magnacharger or kenn belle on my future vette. And already play with spray a bit on some of my cars. All fun , all work. And big NA big cubes is fun too.
That said they say turbos are more efficient than superchargers and also if you compare turbo dyno charts to centrificals there are huge difference in area under the curve and in the powerband in general.
Person really needs to drive both setups on comparable cars to see the differences more closely. All the power adders can work well and all have their pros and cons. I prefer turbos but still wouldn't mind a procharger on my 96z for something different. And wouldn't mind a magnacharger or kenn belle on my future vette. And already play with spray a bit on some of my cars. All fun , all work. And big NA big cubes is fun too.