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Old 06-11-2009, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by eb02z06@ChampionMotors
Good luck bro-I might be putting a F1R depending on your results.

We'll see you at the mile as well this year!
I am curious as well. There was only one other comparable build (427ci / ETLS7 / F1r) that I could find on a GTO that made 1,000 through an auto. I am fairly sure we will surpass that. Either way, I will let you know. Look forward to meeting you at the mile as well. It is a way cool event.
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I can't believe, on those big money heads, that they didn't open them up for 3/8's push rods... that's crazy...
I have never had a problem with that on any ETP heads at my shop, if you got the Jesels they should fit just fine.
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Update, we made 905rwhp @ 16# on the new build using a 4.25" pulley. This was a tuning pull late in the day in the Texas heat - 100* with very high humidity. It actually rained earlier in the day. The previous build was 853rwhp in during the winter 73* outside. We have a 3.75" pulley on the way to see if it will make 20-21# of boost. We had 51 days this summer at 100*. Not exactly the best time of year for big numbers.

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Just plain wicked for the heat. Everything fits so nice in there great job who ever did the work. Good luck at the mile I hope to be there this year.
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Nice looking engine bay!! What fuel fittings an lines are you using?



Originally Posted by john_sblendorio
Update, we made 905rwhp @ 16# on the new build using a 4.25" pulley. This was a tuning pull late in the day in the Texas heat - 100* with very high humidity. It actually rained earlier in the day. The previous build was 853rwhp in during the winter 73* outside. We have a 3.75" pulley on the way to see if it will make 20-21# of boost. We had 51 days this summer at 100*. Not exactly the best time of year for big numbers.

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nice setup and awsome numbers, you will def. hit 1000 maybe 1100. I noticed thet DP took out the craddle. i was thinking to do the same but doesn't it serve a purpose? Alos is that your BOV on the intercooler?
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Originally Posted by OUTLAWZ RACING
Just plain wicked for the heat. Everything fits so nice in there great job who ever did the work. Good luck at the mile I hope to be there this year.
Yes, the heat is a killer. Most of the cars out here are down 8-12% on power this time of year. Dallas Performance did all the work and a lot of custom fabrication. Check their hand welds - laser precision.





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Nice looking engine bay!! What fuel fittings an lines are you using?
They are Russel fittings and hoses.


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nice setup and awsome numbers, you will def. hit 1000 maybe 1100. I noticed thet DP took out the craddle. i was thinking to do the same but doesn't it serve a purpose? Alos is that your BOV on the intercooler?
On the craddle - if you are talking about the radiator shroud that covers the intercooler, radiator, etc. It was just off for testing. You need to have it in place to direct the air into the radiator. They decided to move the BOV onto the intercooler to reduce the turbulance and help with tuning. This picture was prior to adding the Alky nozzles. 1,100rwhp is my goal, but it has been over 100* for the past two months. Not the best weather for making big numbers, but we will see. Should have it back on the rollers today or tomorrow.

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any news???
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Taylor said he would have it back on the dyno tomorrow.
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Looks great and nice #'s. Taylor is an excellent welder.
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What kind of fuel system are you installing/using if not the existing one?
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good luck bud , i had belt issues with the 10 rib serpentine at making big power . gilmer is a better way to go for high boost 20-25.
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Originally Posted by ZO6ER
What kind of fuel system are you installing/using if not the existing one?
Dallas Performance 1,800hp system
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Originally Posted by Mr.Big
it's both... maf for every day driveability and then S.D. takes over...
I'm just going to throw this out there. If you're tuner can't dial a SD car for every day driveability, why would you trust him with a 800+rwhp car?

The op spent several thousand on the build and didn't invest in a 2bar map? Come on.
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Originally Posted by Drewstein
I'm just going to throw this out there. If you're tuner can't dial a SD car for every day driveability, why would you trust him with a 800+rwhp car?

The op spent several thousand on the build and didn't invest in a 2bar map? Come on.
Taylor knows what he's doing bro-even I have though about going back to MAF.

What Taylor is doing is doing is "fudging" some number to give the MAF more range-after that it's SD.

In the grand scheme of things it's no different than we have to "fudge" numbers we don't max the dynamic cylinder air calculation when we go SD.
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Originally Posted by eb02z06@ChampionMotors
Taylor knows what he's doing bro-even I have though about going back to MAF.

What Taylor is doing is doing is "fudging" some number to give the MAF more range-after that it's SD.

In the grand scheme of things it's no different than we have to "fudge" numbers we don't max the dynamic cylinder air calculation when we go SD.
I know what he's doing and I'm saying why? Why fudge anything when the tools are already there and are being overlooked for no good reason IMO.

I have had no problems with my old SD tuned car at 783rwhp or my new TT 427 running 941rwhp. Daily driveability has always been there and I see zero advantages with keeping the MAF.

Explain.
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Originally Posted by Drewstein
I'm just going to throw this out there. If you're tuner can't dial a SD car for every day driveability, why would you trust him with a 800+rwhp car?

The op spent several thousand on the build and didn't invest in a 2bar map? Come on.
Come on??? easy dude, don't assume what you don't know... S.D. is easy, and Taylor is one of the best, look at all the S.D. builds on his site, a few at 1500+rwhp... "if" you spout off with those types of comments, why would anyone care to take the time to explain why...
now back to the fun...
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Originally Posted by hawkls7
good luck bud , i had belt issues with the 10 rib serpentine at making big power . gilmer is a better way to go for high boost 20-25.
I looked into it a few times, but have not found anyone running one sucessfully on a C6.
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Badass build man.
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Originally Posted by Drewstein
I know what he's doing and I'm saying why? Why fudge anything when the tools are already there and are being overlooked for no good reason IMO.

I have had no problems with my old SD tuned car at 783rwhp or my new TT 427 running 941rwhp. Daily driveability has always been there and I see zero advantages with keeping the MAF.

Explain.
Have you ever tuned on one of these newer PCM's? As Louis stated, SD tuning is much more difficult on these than on the older f-bodies and C5's. On the older cars, you just fail the MAF and dial in the VE tables. These new PCMs don't even have a VE table to begin wth. You have to flash them with a custom OS and then build your VE table from scratch. I haven't had to do it yet but it doesn't look fun.


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