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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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I have a lsx block that i was going lsx427 turbo with tfs245 heads, but was told that the pt88 turbo would not have enough back pressure for this size motor and i should go smaller... What size motor should i build for max power and torq on a race only build.. The reason im going 88mm is because the extreme street class that i will compete in sometimes 88mm is the max class size turbo...
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 10:44 PM
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is this a trick question?

if anything that turbo is too small. anything smaller would definitely be too small.
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 10:53 PM
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Not what size turbo.. what size motor 370,408,410 etc. what would be the best motor size application for this turbo? I see guys running 8's on 364ci.. just wanted to get turbo guys oppinions..new to fi but I want the best application for low 5's inthe 1/8th
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 11:47 PM
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can you use twins...........because twin 76s might be good
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 12:46 AM
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Singles only.... I had to move up to extreme to run a 88mm... true street has a 76mm max
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 04:14 AM
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hmm.. 88mm me likey!
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 10:14 AM
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you can make more power with a smaller motor. Mightymouse has good succesd with a 364 cu motor and an 88mm.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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If you're going run that turbo I'd consider a smaller motor. Or just get a bigger turbo.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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i just looked at some garret 88mm turbos on forcedinductions.com and they have some pretty bad *** turbos

**New**GT-47 88T Race Cover Housing 1600 .96, 1.08 $2149

it says this turbo will support 1600hp, I dont know how much power you need to compete but 1600 seems like a hell of alot IMO.

I guess a 427 will just build the power at a lower rpm than a 370 or a smaller cube motor and the turbo will spool faster.

Link to the turbo page: http://www.forcedinductions.com/productsgarrett.htm

this is a link on how to pick a turbo for you application, this is a good link and explains alot to things like the AR and trim: http://www.forcedinductions.com/help.htm

they would probably would be good to give a call to make sure you have the right combination
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Damn i just saw this to. Its a chart that shows the air consumption at a certain rpm on a 427. the chart goes to 6800 engine rpm and i dont know what you plan on turning your motor. but i guess you just need to make sure the turbo will support the amount of air needed by your motor at the max RPM you plan to use.

http://www.forcedinductions.com/consumption427.htm

the whole chart is on the 2nd link i posted above and they have charts for a couple different size LS engines.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 11:26 AM
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IMO you need a 385-395" motor max for an 88mm turbo.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 11:40 AM
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to get the most out of 88mm turbo you need to build a 360-370cid engine,a stock stroke 4'' bore engine would be perfect,run a small cylinder head(225)and a solid roller valvetrain.We have made 1700+ with fireball's combo-366 with etp 225's and a 98mm turbo.If you have any questions feel free to shoot me a pm
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
to get the most out of 88mm turbo you need to build a 360-370cid engine,a stock stroke 4'' bore engine would be perfect,run a small cylinder head(225)and a solid roller valvetrain.We have made 1700+ with fireball's combo-366 with etp 225's and a 98mm turbo.If you have any questions feel free to shoot me a pm
right from the experts.

My question to the guys at VA speed (for me and maybe for him) when builing a 370 can the stock crank hold up on racing applications making over say about 1200hp. And what power levels do you suggest moving to an aftermarket stock stroke crank?
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 07:18 PM
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About 400ci is the real max for an 88, but its a little larger for the best setup. Depending on how the turbo is measured for your class, you might be able to use a cheater turbo like the Precision 98/88.
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Originally Posted by MelScrilla
right from the experts.

My question to the guys at VA speed (for me and maybe for him) when builing a 370 can the stock crank hold up on racing applications making over say about 1200hp. And what power levels do you suggest moving to an aftermarket stock stroke crank?
i wouldn't use a stock crank on anything over 1000hp,you can run higher hp with aluminum rods but the crank is still going to have a finite life.
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
i wouldn't use a stock crank on anything over 1000hp,you can run higher hp with aluminum rods but the crank is still going to have a finite life.
Is that 1000 at the crank or at the wheels?
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The 98/88 is one of the turbo's we were considering...So with this turbo could i go 402? so a stock crank is out of the question,so a 402 with a after market crank, and howard rods are what i was looking at.. heads could i go 235 tfs on the 402 because i went lsx block for the 6 bolt heads and i dont think the 225 come in a 6 bolt.
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Originally Posted by TurboAv
Is that 1000 at the crank or at the wheels?
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Originally Posted by T2SLS1
The 98/88 is one of the turbo's we were considering...So with this turbo could i go 402? so a stock crank is out of the question,so a 402 with a after market crank, and howard rods are what i was looking at.. heads could i go 235 tfs on the 402 because i went lsx block for the 6 bolt heads and i dont think the 225 come in a 6 bolt.
if a 98/88 is allowed,you could run a 400cid engine,with that being said,i would use a 4.125 bore 3.750 stroke,this allows you to put on a nice cylinder head and allow the engine to breathe properly
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
i wouldn't use a stock crank on anything over 1000hp,you can run higher hp with aluminum rods but the crank is still going to have a finite life.
shawm,
but Mightmouse is using a stock LS2 crank and is putting over 1100 to ground though an auto
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 10:32 AM
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i didn't say you couldn't,i said i wouldn't.Sooner or later at that power level the crank will give up.
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