So are some F-Body guys due some refunds now?

I find the profitability comment interesting, after all, the manufacturer sets their pricing and is responsible for managing the profitability of their various product offerings.

 

For those who haven't done it yet, I would download the .pdf files of the install guides now.

 

I have a twin kit that Josh built....It is top notch!!!!!

 

IMO every single member who bought a kit & the turbos failed in under 3000 miles should get a refund for the cost of the turbos supplied in the kit since APS knew they were selling cheap **** turbos. If it was a isolated case then I'd say that person & APS need to hash it out but it's a wide spread problem & something needs to be done to compensate people who spend thousands of dollars for a turbo kit from them. Thats the right thing to do IMO anyway.

Now will APS man up & do it is the question?

 

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one!

 

Sorry to hear the bad news, Its tough out there for any performance/turbo shop us included. Geo

 

It's not that tough to assemble a kit & sell it with quality parts. People will pay for quality. Thats what I dont understand.

Of coarse everyone wants to market a set-up cheaper than its competition but look at Procharger for example. Anyone wanna take a guess at why they are still in business....could it be that even with their pricing people are willing to pay it b/c they assosiate that name with quality. I'd say thats exactly why people buy Procharger over other SC systems in many cases.

Shouldn't be any different in the turbo world. Someone making a solid kit with quality parts will still be able to move their kits even with a higher price tag cause people want quality. And hell if marketing it with a lower price is what a company is after then offer it at a base price with like the lower model turbos but still from a quality turbo manufacture with the option to upgrade to a higher end turbo.

 

Exactly....and I think another reason people are pissed is because they thought they were still getting good turbos with the kit, not some Chinese-junk knock offs.

I never had my question answered about the price of these kits. Were they always the same price, or did the price for the kit go down at some point? If they kept the price the same after switching to selling junk Chinese parts, then that should tell you they lost all concern for the costumers, and it was now all about the bottom dollar. That may work with some stuff, but I don't think it would with a turbo kit that relies on the main piece to be reliable (and keep people coming for more) - the TURBO.

They've made their bed...

 

Im no where near ready to get a turbo and Im kinda glad for it after reading this.

What is ls1tech plan for the APS sponsership?

 

Imo businesses out of the country should not be allowed to sponsor this site. Seems the whole world is out to scam us americans!

 

LOL, sorry,

sympathy here is for CUSTOMERS, customers that have been robbed.

Gimme a break.

 

Tony and I don't handle LS1TECH sponsorship FWIW, I don't have a hand in that.

How many folks have these turbo problems? Can they be fixed or do they need to be replaced? Maybe you guys could work something out with George from TTi maybe he could figure out some sort of solution.

 

F Body intercooled twin turbo system - preliminary pricing $5495 inc free delivery

APS F body twin turbo system $5495 twin turbo deal extended to Oct 07

So $5,500 shipped, not this wishful $4,500 I keep seeing, then it went up $500 and you had to pay your own shipping.

 

Pretty easy actually.

 

I understand *******, that's what i was trying to say.

 

Wow, just wow. This thread made it over to fastlsx.com. It pisses me off to no end reading this crap and how "peter" has absolutely no remorse or care for how he treats his customers. Im sorry to hear how people got screwed but then again the OP saved a lot of people from getting screwed. Karma is a bitch!

 

Thanks for saving me 6000 dollars op!!!! Thank you!

 

Any one have a link to this? It is slow today and drama filled threads make the day go by sooo fast.

 

wow...wasnt this locked a few minutes ago?? lol.

if anything, this thread will make it out to the Corvette forums and GTO forums and possibly taint their reputation further and affect future business. sad it has to come to that but at this point we're stuck with what we've purchased with absolutely 0 help from Peter or APS.

ive come to the conclusion that im on borrowed time with my turbos and will need to get them replaced ASAP. i just hope if one of them goes it doesnt take out my new forged shortblock with it. im tryin to not driving it as much as i can to avoid having anything happen untill i have the coin for LG's upgrades.

 

I am sorry paid 5500 for the kit yeah 1000 down I think and 4500 balance. Not too bad but of course by time put in upgraded LG turbos be up to 8500 and you still needed to buy bmr kmember for the kit to fit and I bought a ceramic coated hooker ypipe to connect to stock catback.
Of coures it was also tuner kit like most. You needed to buy fuel system,supply your own tuning. And some cooling upgrades would be a good thing. Again the inlet tubes collapsing is a super easy cheap fix as is the front sway bar hitting at least on stock non lowered cars with not huge sway bars.
I am on the fence about adding scavenger pump. So far its not too bad see a bit on decel. Not much at all wot or at idle or going up on accel. Course if the turbos crap out then scavenger pump won't matter.

As said these are simply 20g center carts td06h .You can get them from various places. Sure some quailty shops will sell just the centers. I got some as said off fleabay and at least one other guy on here..LOWBIRD said they were working fine last I talked to him.
They were like 400 each. I think genuine mits would be more like 600 or so each 20gs complete with compressor and exhaust are think around 1000 to 1200 for genuine ones but you only need the center carts.
They are plug and play on drivers side but you would have to drop kmember it sounds like to replace passenger side. Not the end of the world but annoying a bit.
The location of the turbos lets you keep the air conditioning and makes plug access normal as well. And you can get to anything else in the engine compartment ,no alt relocation,minor messing around,they did supply a nice coolant return and windshield washer reservoir. I debate the low quality on most of the kit pieces. My intercooler seems to work great, the welding looked excellent on my intercooler pipes,downpipes,etc.The kit fit great and install went pretty smoothly with every nut and bolt supplied.
So you guys can say what you want about APS the turbos do seem to be knockoffs.But I still like my kit and most things about it. Its pretty stealthy with the turbos down low if wanted it to be all you see is the intercooler script. Intercooler fit well for such a huge thing and can't tell have one.
The blow offs were plastic but still oem in many new cars.They worked ok when simply ran them non recirced simple to do with 10 bucks on home depot table leg protectors used as plugs. Our cars are blow thru so you can run recirced no problem. I am speed density anyway so again don't need recirced blow offs.

This thread will likely go on and on with most guys who don't even own the kit throwing in their two cents.

Aps should give some kind of 800 or 1000 buck credit or send genuine mits 20g replacement carts to anyone that bought the knockoffs. And Peter has not said once sorry they got them by mistake so apparently they bought them knowingly but maybe not for all the kits on the vettes and gtos that use the same 20g turbos.

I am pretty disgusted with their attitude on customer service . I think people should be phoning direct to see if Peter is head of the company or what. Go over his head see what that does. Class action lawsuit don't think will work when they are overseas.
That would be another option and might get some action.

Badmouthing them on this board and various boards would likely have some effect. Business shouldnt' want bad word of mouth. Sounds like they are concentrating on the import market now but whatever.
If other companies had offered a twin kit might have went for one but after losing 2k to GMR a well respected and seemingly fairly solild company on their twin kit likely would never buy from any small company. Unless they had them in stock and paid with visa or could get refund if they never shipped. GMR just kept putting me off and by then it was beyond the range of visa refund.Lesson learned.

Well its nice day and going out to drive my TT 408. Hopefully my turbos will hold together till end of October then dont' care ,LG ones most likely will be going in.
Hoping Tom z28 and Barnat and few more of the boys on here get theirs in soon and can give me some dyno and track numbers.
Sure they will be great. Many guys on here got some great numbers and times from the aps kit but some of course had turbo failures with very low miles on them. I am at 3000 and drive the car hard but only go to 8psi. I am not in boost for that long a period,just street drive it and stuff no roadracing. They are likely alive so far as keeping the boost low and not working them all the time.Hugger has 20,000 miles on his. Maybe some of us got genuine and then they switched to the knock offs who knows.

I would try to put pressure directly on aps by phoning a lot .The squeaking wheel gets the grease. Someone that knows law could check out class action angle.

At worst you will have to sell off your kit if you can't afford to replace the centers but there are replacements out there.

Oh and tnt its very rare for a turbo to take out an engine. I have had tons of dsms with super old shot turbos and never lost an engine because or a turbo yet. When they go the bearings usually get sloppy and you get lots of oil or you get the blades hitting the housings.You can usually hear that as its usually pretty loud screeching.
I think its likely more common for engine to hurt turbos but so far haven't even had that happen.
I have also seen and not saying this is true in all cases many times where turbo was blamed for being faulty but it was something else. crankcase pressure caussing tons of oil to pour out thru the turbo, blown stock engine, blocked oil return, non working pcv,etc.

Maybe LG can give us a GP for 5 or so orders and I will borrow the money to get them as well.

Could still have them in over the weekend I have cherry picker and dropping kmember is not that hard.

So LG can you do anything for us?