borg warner S400 turbos any good?
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So the S400-80 will outperform the ST80 and SX80 because the S480 is a T6 vs the other two being T4? How far can an S480 really go?
I was just a bit confused, because on your website it lists both the ST80 and SX80 as being T4 or T6. It also lists the power potential higher then the budget S480.
I see people like Ninetres going bottom 9's on an ST80/370, which would definitely fufill my end goals. It made me ask the question "Why did he go with an ST80 instead of an S480".
I was just a bit confused, because on your website it lists both the ST80 and SX80 as being T4 or T6. It also lists the power potential higher then the budget S480.
I see people like Ninetres going bottom 9's on an ST80/370, which would definitely fufill my end goals. It made me ask the question "Why did he go with an ST80 instead of an S480".
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The 480 will outflow them due to being a MUCH larger turbine wheel, but also means much laggier. Also the ratings were factory ratings....not ours.
T4 units are much smaller to fit...that is why people go with ST and SX80. The BW480 is twice the size on the exhaust side just about. BIG difference.
T4 units are much smaller to fit...that is why people go with ST and SX80. The BW480 is twice the size on the exhaust side just about. BIG difference.
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OK, maybe I'm just dumb but won't cutting the inlet air in half just cause it to spool half as fast? shutting down the inlet doesn't change the a/r or the turbine wheel size. It still take the same amount of load to spool it but you are just causing a restriction before the housing. The flow will speed up at the restriction and then die as soon as it goes by due to the area behind the opening doubling in size. Like I said, I may just be dumb but I think a large surge pop fart black cloud is all it is going to produce. I'd like to see it work then maybe I will change my mind. ![The Judge](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_judge.gif)
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Edit: Look up Zombie. He is using one of these "quick spool valves" and it works quite well for him.
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When you use a twin scroll housing it's like having two .66 AR hotsides for a 1.32 AR. So when you block one side and send it through just one .66 side you increase the velocity of the gasses going into that one small AR. So it spools quick(er). But backpressure also increases because of this. That's why at a preset boost value the other side opens up and allows you to make the high rpm power.
Edit: Look up Zombie. He is using one of these "quick spool valves" and it works quite well for him.
Edit: Look up Zombie. He is using one of these "quick spool valves" and it works quite well for him.
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I would think you would even see some benefit even if it wasn't split to the vanes. Obviously split to the vanes would be better, but you would still be accelorating the exhaust gas either way. Like blocking off the spray coming out of a hose to make it spray harder. You would be hitting the blading with more force at the expense of backpressure. Which is why the valve opens up once you are spooled.
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Holy cow!! Man! That thing is a farkin' GIANT! Lol.. Thanks for posting the pics of them side by side. I *barely* have enough room for my single TC76 (Thanks for it too Dr. Turbo!) and there's no way in hell that giant thing would fit in my setup (stock radiator orientation).
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Hi guys, this is my first post here so hi to all ![Nod](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_nod.gif)
I am looking for a turbo for my street/drag 355ci v8, what size BW is the best balance of size and power ? The s400 sounds like it will be too laggy for a road car without massive stall to compensate , so what would you guys recommend ? Im only looking for 600rwhp but if it makes more then I wont complain . Also, my budget is a bit tight so no ball bearing garretts for me , thats why Im looking at these .
Any help would be great.
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I am looking for a turbo for my street/drag 355ci v8, what size BW is the best balance of size and power ? The s400 sounds like it will be too laggy for a road car without massive stall to compensate , so what would you guys recommend ? Im only looking for 600rwhp but if it makes more then I wont complain . Also, my budget is a bit tight so no ball bearing garretts for me , thats why Im looking at these .
Any help would be great.
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Hi guys, this is my first post here so hi to all ![Nod](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_nod.gif)
I am looking for a turbo for my street/drag 355ci v8, what size BW is the best balance of size and power ? The s400 sounds like it will be too laggy for a road car without massive stall to compensate , so what would you guys recommend ? Im only looking for 600rwhp but if it makes more then I wont complain . Also, my budget is a bit tight so no ball bearing garretts for me , thats why Im looking at these .
Any help would be great.
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I am looking for a turbo for my street/drag 355ci v8, what size BW is the best balance of size and power ? The s400 sounds like it will be too laggy for a road car without massive stall to compensate , so what would you guys recommend ? Im only looking for 600rwhp but if it makes more then I wont complain . Also, my budget is a bit tight so no ball bearing garretts for me , thats why Im looking at these .
Any help would be great.
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We'd really need to know more about your car, your engine and your driving style to say with any clarity.
You, like most of us, mention budget. How much can you honestly devote to this? Whatever you think it will be, add 50% to that.
Hope you build it! These cars are more fun than anyone can believe!
- Weight of the car as you envision, once it's complete
- Compression ratio
- All forged bottom end or mostly stock?
- Cam
- Heads (factory or aftermarket?)
- Front mount Turbo or Rearmount?
- differential gears
- Transmission
- If automatic, TC stall
- Hotside type(log or headers)
- Driving style(Mostly strip, mostly street, highway, heavy traffic, etc)
You, like most of us, mention budget. How much can you honestly devote to this? Whatever you think it will be, add 50% to that.
Hope you build it! These cars are more fun than anyone can believe!
Hi guys, this is my first post here so hi to all ![Nod](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_nod.gif)
I am looking for a turbo for my street/drag 355ci v8, what size BW is the best balance of size and power ? The s400 sounds like it will be too laggy for a road car without massive stall to compensate , so what would you guys recommend ? Im only looking for 600rwhp but if it makes more then I wont complain . Also, my budget is a bit tight so no ball bearing garretts for me , thats why Im looking at these .
Any help would be great.
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![Nod](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_nod.gif)
I am looking for a turbo for my street/drag 355ci v8, what size BW is the best balance of size and power ? The s400 sounds like it will be too laggy for a road car without massive stall to compensate , so what would you guys recommend ? Im only looking for 600rwhp but if it makes more then I wont complain . Also, my budget is a bit tight so no ball bearing garretts for me , thats why Im looking at these .
Any help would be great.
![Cheers!!](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_cheers.gif)
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Thanks but I better start a new thread in the non-LS section as its not an LS motor , or a motor you have available in USA though Im sure alot of the same stuff applies across the board. It will look something like this pic, it belongs to a fellow aussie named C4PRCE
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Edit: Is there a better section to post details of my non-LS powered vehicle ? Or is this the most relevant section since its about s400's ?
This is the type of vehicle I have:
http://www.vnss.com.au/category/exterior/
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Edit: Is there a better section to post details of my non-LS powered vehicle ? Or is this the most relevant section since its about s400's ?
This is the type of vehicle I have:
http://www.vnss.com.au/category/exterior/
- Weight of the car as you envision, once it's complete - standard kerb weight is about 1400kg/3080lb, so after mods and extras maybe more like 1600-1700
- Compression ratio - 9.5:1 , I might try to reduce that a little
- All forged bottom end or mostly stock? - Aftermarket nodular stroker crank, Eagle H-beam rods, SRP D-dish blower forgies
- Cam - custom blower grind hydraulic 232@50, will go bigger later
- Heads (factory or aftermarket?) - factory lightly ported
- Front mount Turbo or Rearmount? - single front mount
- differential gears - 3.08 factory - later maybe 3.5-3.7
- Transmission - currently BW T5 , centreforce dual friction clutch , later th400/700
- If automatic, TC stall
- Hotside type(log or headers) currently extractors, later factory cast
- Driving style(Mostly strip, mostly street, highway, heavy traffic, etc) - mostly street, traffic, some drags
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