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Old 12-28-2009, 08:51 PM
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"I want to come up with a budget before I start anything and NOT surpass it. This talk by some people about coming up with a price then X3....those are the people who do NO research like dummies and have no clue what they're getting into."

my point is, at that power level your dropping tons of money just to keep the car going and dealing with all the issues that will pop up. it's never a simple thing anymore. but if it was me:
a built to the hilt 4l80e, your 12 bolt until it destorys itself then a fab 9/ m9 with a wavetrac or locker/ spool with a 91mm t-6 turbo kit on at least a 402 ls2 should make you smile and get you close to your goal. especially if you arent doing the work, id really figure at least 30k to get you up and running (thats a budget build btw).
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Originally Posted by needadvice
I read some good things about the truck manifolds but don't know much about them or what they can handle.

-A/C is a must to keep.
I think the truck manifolds may not be A/C compatable.

There is a company in Fort Worth "old air products". They are the "go to" for custom hot rod A/C setups.

They may have, or can definately build a bracket; so you can retain the A/C.

I bought a A/C bracket from them for my custom 78 Jeep CJ-7. 350ci, 350 turbo tranny, brush guards, Gears, axles, lift, & 33's. It would pop a wheelie when it hit second gear.

It would OFF ROAD like a mad man.

If you run into ac problems, they can help you out.

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^^ i think you will need a vette exhaust manifold on the pass side to keep ac, and i have not seen to many 1000whp cars with that set up
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Cheap... Reliable... 1000Rwhp... Let me know if you figure it out.
I can tell you this much....when I get it all together I'll know what I'm gonna be spending up front. I need to know this to make sure I can do it. $18,000-$20,000, I have that right now. But if its looking like $25,000-$30,000, I'm gonna pull the plug and just build a 427ci with some spray.

Engine...LSX iron...$1800 + machining
Have the crank..4" stroke
Need rods
Need pistons (4" bore to make it 402ci)
Need fuel management or 99-02 PCM if it'll work
Need fuel pump(s) and injectors

6 bolt heads.... $3,000-$4,000
Wilson intake (used)...$1,000
Tranny....I have it
Suspension and 12 bolt rear-end....I have it
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Originally Posted by subarubill96
"I want to come up with a budget before I start anything and NOT surpass it. This talk by some people about coming up with a price then X3....those are the people who do NO research like dummies and have no clue what they're getting into."

my point is, at that power level your dropping tons of money just to keep the car going and dealing with all the issues that will pop up. it's never a simple thing anymore. but if it was me:
a built to the hilt 4l80e, your 12 bolt until it destorys itself then a fab 9/ m9 with a wavetrac or locker/ spool with a 91mm t-6 turbo kit on at least a 402 ls2 should make you smile and get you close to your goal. especially if you arent doing the work, id really figure at least 30k to get you up and running (thats a budget build btw).
So what power level can be had so the car is not a constant headache. 600-700-800? I mean if a 1,000 RWHP street LSx is built....is it gonna be falling apart every week or every month?
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/vehicles-...-8-second.html
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you figure out the a/c
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Originally Posted by needadvice
So what power level can be had so the car is not a constant headache. 600-700-800? I mean if a 1,000 RWHP street LSx is built....is it gonna be falling apart every week or every month?
The other thing you have to account for is you are going to run a 4L80E, which sucks up way more power than a 6-speed. To be honest, the only reason to run an 80E or TH400 is for drag racing. You can't abuse the six speed though and it still might break. If all you want is a street beast get a 6 speed, maybe, lol. I'm not sure what the difference is between 4L80 and 6 speed power wise, but I'm guessing 800-850rwhp is about like a 1000rwhp through a six speed.

BTW, lots of daily drivers in the 650-750 range. Going that extra little bit really costs.
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
It would be cheaper to grab this car.
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Originally Posted by needadvice
I can tell you this much....when I get it all together I'll know what I'm gonna be spending up front. I need to know this to make sure I can do it. $18,000-$20,000, I have that right now. But if its looking like $25,000-$30,000, I'm gonna pull the plug and just build a 427ci with some spray.

Engine...LSX iron...$1800 + machining
Have the crank..4" stroke
Need rods
Need pistons (4" bore to make it 402ci)
Need fuel management or 99-02 PCM if it'll work
Need fuel pump(s) and injectors

6 bolt heads.... $3,000-$4,000
Wilson intake (used)...$1,000
Tranny....I have it
Suspension and 12 bolt rear-end....I have it
i'd pull the plug now, i spent 15000 bucks just to hit 500whp with my fi setup. and i do allot of work myself

just like i said before the motor alone will cost you 20000

and you are missing allot of parts in that list of yours

dual roller,
cam, oil pump,
oil pan,
windage tray,
pickup tube,
main girdle ? or pin the mains or both
arp main studs,
arp head studs,
cam bearings
rod bearing
main bearings
timing cover
head gaskets
oil pan gasket

that is just the stuff i could think off the top of my head, and machining an lsx block will cost you allot of money !!!

i am not trying to be an *******, just don't want to see u get burned
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Id say the cheapest way to 1000rwhp is a 600rwhp shot of nitrous. jk

at hat hp level its probably cheaper to buy than to build
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Originally Posted by elias_799
i'd pull the plug now, i spent 15000 bucks just to hit 500whp with my fi setup. and i do allot of work myself

just like i said before the motor alone will cost you 20000

and you are missing allot of parts in that list of yours

dual roller,
cam, oil pump,
oil pan,
windage tray,
pickup tube,
main girdle ? or pin the mains or both
arp main studs,
arp head studs,
cam bearings
rod bearing
main bearings
timing cover
head gaskets
oil pan gasket

that is just the stuff i could think off the top of my head, and machining an lsx block will cost you allot of money !!!

i am not trying to be an *******, just don't want to see u get burned
Why? I hit that with a $3200 used STS kit and a $980 cam swap and made 513/525 on 7.5psi

My new set up:
speedinc 370 9.2:1, used 317's (not the best choice)
double timing chain, melling oil pump, ARP head bolts, 79# High Imp injec, Vic jr + rails+ intake elbows, -8 feed line, -6 return line, patriot duals

kytp single turbo hot and cold side $2k TC 78 $950

built th400 with stall $1425

roll cage $380

all of that adds up to $11,255 and I'm doing all of the installing myself... slowly but surely because I've never done any of this

This set up, minus heads is enough to make 800rwhp depending on much the th400 robs. You could make more by swapping the turbo
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Originally Posted by elias_799
i'd pull the plug now, i spent 15000 bucks just to hit 500whp with my fi setup. and i do allot of work myself

just like i said before the motor alone will cost you 20000

and you are missing allot of parts in that list of yours

dual roller,
cam, oil pump,
oil pan,
windage tray,
pickup tube,
main girdle ? or pin the mains or both
arp main studs,
arp head studs,
cam bearings
rod bearing
main bearings
timing cover
head gaskets
oil pan gasket

that is just the stuff i could think off the top of my head, and machining an lsx block will cost you allot of money !!!

i am not trying to be an *******, just don't want to see u get burned
Man....if I was high........total BUZZ KILLER.

Just the engine...$20,000...HOW?

So machining an LSX iron block to 4" bore is gonna cost what????? Its been totally checked by my builder, the current owner was gonna do a 430ci single turbo with it. I can get it for $1,800 and have it bored to 4".

How much are 6 bolt AFR's?

Intake is gonna cost me $1,000.
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Originally Posted by 71 chevy
Id say the cheapest way to 1000rwhp is a 600rwhp shot of nitrous. jk

at hat hp level its probably cheaper to buy than to build
You buy the motor from a known sponsor that knows how to build that kind of motor and you buy the rest of the parts that are capable of making the power and you install them
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Originally Posted by needadvice
Man....if I was high........total BUZZ KILLER.

Just the engine...$20,000...HOW?

So machining an LSX iron block to 4" bore is gonna cost what????? Its been totally checked by my builder, the current owner was gonna do a 430ci single turbo with it. I can get it for $1,800 and have it bored to 4".

How much are 6 bolt AFR's?

Intake is gonna cost me $1,000.
why? vic jr can support 1k
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Originally Posted by 99Z28LS1
Why? I hit that with a $3200 used STS kit and a $980 cam swap and made 513/525 on 7.5psi

My new set up:
speedinc 370 9.2:1, used 317's (not the best choice)
double timing chain, melling oil pump, ARP head bolts, 79# High Imp injec, Vic jr + rails+ intake elbows, -8 feed line, -6 return line, patriot duals

kytp single turbo hot and cold side $2k TC 78 $950

built th400 with stall $1425

roll cage $380

all of that adds up to $11,255 and I'm doing all of the installing myself... slowly but surely because I've never done any of this

This set up, minus heads is enough to make 800rwhp depending on much the th400 robs. You could make more by swapping the turbo
Wow, finally a good news thread. There's still hope

My father just called me and asked how my research is going, he's more amp'ed about this project then me. He's 67 yrs old and can't wait for me to build this. I told him things aren't looking as good as I planned. I thought I would have a list of what to buy by now.
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Originally Posted by 99Z28LS1
why? vic jr can support 1k
I just figured buy this Wilson sheet metal off this local guy. Its polished like new and was only used for about 1 month a couple years ago. Would the vic jr. be better for power? How much $$ are they?
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Originally Posted by needadvice
I just figured buy this Wilson sheet metal off this local guy. Its polished like new and was only used for about 1 month a couple years ago. Would the vic jr. be better for power? How much $$ are they?
I wouldn't say "better for power" but CERTAINLY much cheaper at 4-500 new depending on where you buy them. They will support 1k,
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Sure a LSX based big cube engine and Pro Mod Billet wheel turbo will do the deed. Its all good of you are building a drag radial race car. There are shops that specialize in that type of build. There are other options that will achieve 1000rwhp with out costing you $40-50k.

Call me tomorrow. Lets talk. Advice is free. I have done this multiple times with in your budget.
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Originally Posted by Josh@KY-Turbo
Sure a LSX based big cube engine and Pro Mod Billet wheel turbo will do the deed. Its all good of you are building a drag radial race car. There are shops that specialize in that type of build. There are other options that will achieve 1000rwhp with out costing you $40-50k.

Call me tomorrow. Lets talk. Advice is free. I have done this multiple times with in your budget.
call him, he knows
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Originally Posted by 99Z28LS1
I wouldn't say "better for power" but CERTAINLY much cheaper at 4-500 new depending on where you buy them. They will support 1k,
Now we're talk'in, I just found about $500 in savings right there....lol

I see a Katech 402ci short-block for around $5,000. Heads for $3,000, intake for $500 and I guess an elbow for whatever. There's my engine, less rails and injectors for less than $10,000.

Turbo kit......$$$$....???
Fuel system...$$$....???
88mm Turbo....$$$....???
PCM...$$$...???

Will the rest be more than $11,000...............

My friend can install it all for me. I would need someone to tune it that knows their ****.

What am I missing? I have the tranny, rear, suspension, done.


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