Finally going FI. Need a little advice.
05-31-2010, 01:52 AM
#1
Finally going FI. Need a little advice. Due to a recent house purchase/restore, shop move, ect...my race season is
pretty much going to be none existant. Unfortunately Im being forced to go ahead, and start my turbo build for the 2011 season. Here is a run down of what im thinking:
370 cid
LQ9 6.0 block
Stock 6.0 crank
93 w/ AIS meth injection----bought
single front mount turbo....T4
Truck manifolds
Powerglide
Stock ECU
Big AIR to AIR intercooler
Goals: Car will remain "streetable". No cage, no parachute. Go as fast as possible(around 9.0 or faster), and be in the 1000 RWHP range.
Ive already got a magnafuel 625 pump, burkheart built 12 bolt, vic jr intake, elbow, holly 90mm TB, meziere pump, and all suspension. . Turbo stuff is still a little new to me so Im gonna need your guys help on what parts i need, and what will, and what wont work. A few of the things im not sure about:
How big of a turbo will I need for a 370?
Do I need to spin the motor really high to achieve the power goal?
First thing I am doing know is starting to get parts for the motor and setup. And post up parts/setup changes as them come.
pretty much going to be none existant. Unfortunately Im being forced to go ahead, and start my turbo build for the 2011 season. Here is a run down of what im thinking:
370 cid
LQ9 6.0 block
Stock 6.0 crank
93 w/ AIS meth injection----bought
single front mount turbo....T4
Truck manifolds
Powerglide
Stock ECU
Big AIR to AIR intercooler
Goals: Car will remain "streetable". No cage, no parachute. Go as fast as possible(around 9.0 or faster), and be in the 1000 RWHP range.
Ive already got a magnafuel 625 pump, burkheart built 12 bolt, vic jr intake, elbow, holly 90mm TB, meziere pump, and all suspension. . Turbo stuff is still a little new to me so Im gonna need your guys help on what parts i need, and what will, and what wont work. A few of the things im not sure about:
How big of a turbo will I need for a 370?
Do I need to spin the motor really high to achieve the power goal?
First thing I am doing know is starting to get parts for the motor and setup. And post up parts/setup changes as them come.
Last edited by BlackWS666; 07-09-2010 at 12:07 AM.
05-31-2010, 07:47 AM
#2
I ll take a stab
370 , a 88mm turbo would help get your goals
e85 , 120 # injectors should hold 1k+
Ill ditch the 400 in favor of a 80e you have over drive for the street.
Dry sump will work as well as wet sump, personal and budget preferance.
Not sure about air towater , im going to run air to wart andmy car is 99.9% street. a air to air would work also. But a dam good air to air cooer.
Id throw meth in the mix also.
370 , a 88mm turbo would help get your goals
e85 , 120 # injectors should hold 1k+
Ill ditch the 400 in favor of a 80e you have over drive for the street.
Dry sump will work as well as wet sump, personal and budget preferance.
Not sure about air towater , im going to run air to wart andmy car is 99.9% street. a air to air would work also. But a dam good air to air cooer.
Id throw meth in the mix also.
05-31-2010, 05:03 PM
#4
I wouldn't use mega squirt unless you really know a lot about tuning and electronics (pertaining to engine management).
With that being said.....
Stock ECU FTW (EFILIVE)!!!!!
also when you are ready to build your kit give me call. I can either set you up with our 100% bolt on 1000HP capable twin kit or provide you with the parts to build your own.
thanks
Rob@modularturbo
With that being said.....
Stock ECU FTW (EFILIVE)!!!!!
also when you are ready to build your kit give me call. I can either set you up with our 100% bolt on 1000HP capable twin kit or provide you with the parts to build your own.
thanks
Rob@modularturbo
05-31-2010, 06:19 PM
#5
I wouldn't use mega squirt unless you really know a lot about tuning and electronics (pertaining to engine management).
With that being said.....
Stock ECU FTW (EFILIVE)!!!!!
also when you are ready to build your kit give me call. I can either set you up with our 100% bolt on 1000HP capable twin kit or provide you with the parts to build your own.
thanks
Rob@modularturbo
With that being said.....
Stock ECU FTW (EFILIVE)!!!!!
also when you are ready to build your kit give me call. I can either set you up with our 100% bolt on 1000HP capable twin kit or provide you with the parts to build your own.
thanks
Rob@modularturbo
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06-01-2010, 02:35 AM
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Its the 1000 hp goal on e 85, it requires alot of injector and alot of pump. I would just use pump gas and meth. It has been done to death but it has been done. Also u can use 96# injectors and twin intanks to reach your goals. as far as the crank the stock can hold it no problem just have the mains pined and arp studded.
oh and 96# can be controlled by the stock ecu.
oh and 96# can be controlled by the stock ecu.
06-01-2010, 02:19 PM
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Its the 1000 hp goal on e 85, it requires alot of injector and alot of pump. I would just use pump gas and meth. It has been done to death but it has been done. Also u can use 96# injectors and twin intanks to reach your goals. as far as the crank the stock can hold it no problem just have the mains pined and arp studded.
oh and 96# can be controlled by the stock ecu.
oh and 96# can be controlled by the stock ecu.
06-02-2010, 07:43 AM
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For the turbo i would go with a 88mm
Since its a street car air to air would be a better choice for intercooler.
As for the trans, if its going to be all out street car go with the 80E if you are looking for a lot of track time go with the th400. I am going to have a 1500hp street car that has a th400 in it. It drives great on the street. Plus its MUCH lighter than the 80e.
I guess it all depends on your tuner but i would say ditch the E85. It is hard to tune as its very inconsistent. If your tuner can tune it, go for it. I am not taking any risks with my tune.
The stock computer is good for around 1000hp so you might think about upgrading. BS3 and XFI are good systems, again its all about when your tuner likes, i am going with BS3 and haveing don bailey tune my car.
Truck manifolds will work great for 1000hp and are good on the budget.
For the rods, i would go with Eagle, or compstar, the stock crank should be good unless you want to go 408. I would also go with diamond pistons.
We live pretty close so if you need any help let me know.
Since its a street car air to air would be a better choice for intercooler.
As for the trans, if its going to be all out street car go with the 80E if you are looking for a lot of track time go with the th400. I am going to have a 1500hp street car that has a th400 in it. It drives great on the street. Plus its MUCH lighter than the 80e.
I guess it all depends on your tuner but i would say ditch the E85. It is hard to tune as its very inconsistent. If your tuner can tune it, go for it. I am not taking any risks with my tune.
The stock computer is good for around 1000hp so you might think about upgrading. BS3 and XFI are good systems, again its all about when your tuner likes, i am going with BS3 and haveing don bailey tune my car.
Truck manifolds will work great for 1000hp and are good on the budget.
For the rods, i would go with Eagle, or compstar, the stock crank should be good unless you want to go 408. I would also go with diamond pistons.
We live pretty close so if you need any help let me know.
06-02-2010, 08:54 AM
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You can run big low impedence injectors fine on stock ecu. And there is company now with huge high impedence that are supposed to work fine but they are 250 an injector!
Stock cranks are very strong, forged are better at 1000rwhp.
Turbo 400 seems fine with like 3.08 gears to make it more streetable. I do like my 4l80 though .I have 3.54 gears.
I would try another make of pistons next time around.I have wiseco and they are set up a bit loose but I do get fair amount of piston slap when car is cold but it does go away when warm.I heard diamonds are really good in this regard.
We have zero e85 here so no option. I will be running likely race gas and alc 50/50 not 100% meth in my car.Currently just running pump and pretty low boost. My compression is 9.5 to 1.
Standalone is interesting but hassle for various things. I don't see why the stock ecu would limit anything. I don't currently intend to go past 1000rwhp and that would be mostly dyno bragging rights. I plan on think around 800rwhp most of the time.Thats still plenty crazy. I am trying various strategies to hook even that much up. I am running toyo tq 24/7 so far they are more rain friendly than my et street radials and seem to hook not bad better than nitto 555R drag radials. I am going to be trying gear based boost ramping but can also try time based at track or rpm based on street. All options that my eboost2 has. I don't think turbo 400 is all that much lighter than a 4l80 but could be wrong.My car is heavy pig. With the dana 60, 4l80, turbo kit, iron block.Haven't weighed it yet but likely is 4000 me out.I haven't tried to lighten it.
I have a lightened talon race car for trailer only track use. 99TT is street toy.
I wanted to keep it very driveable and think have succeeded.
Stock cranks are very strong, forged are better at 1000rwhp.
Turbo 400 seems fine with like 3.08 gears to make it more streetable. I do like my 4l80 though .I have 3.54 gears.
I would try another make of pistons next time around.I have wiseco and they are set up a bit loose but I do get fair amount of piston slap when car is cold but it does go away when warm.I heard diamonds are really good in this regard.
We have zero e85 here so no option. I will be running likely race gas and alc 50/50 not 100% meth in my car.Currently just running pump and pretty low boost. My compression is 9.5 to 1.
Standalone is interesting but hassle for various things. I don't see why the stock ecu would limit anything. I don't currently intend to go past 1000rwhp and that would be mostly dyno bragging rights. I plan on think around 800rwhp most of the time.Thats still plenty crazy. I am trying various strategies to hook even that much up. I am running toyo tq 24/7 so far they are more rain friendly than my et street radials and seem to hook not bad better than nitto 555R drag radials. I am going to be trying gear based boost ramping but can also try time based at track or rpm based on street. All options that my eboost2 has. I don't think turbo 400 is all that much lighter than a 4l80 but could be wrong.My car is heavy pig. With the dana 60, 4l80, turbo kit, iron block.Haven't weighed it yet but likely is 4000 me out.I haven't tried to lighten it.
I have a lightened talon race car for trailer only track use. 99TT is street toy.
I wanted to keep it very driveable and think have succeeded.
06-02-2010, 09:11 AM
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06-02-2010, 11:05 AM
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I have an s91 build right now on my 408 with a 4l80e going on and I am running 120# injectors and going e85 prob. I still have a stock ECU and runing it with no problems. The only thing I did was get an injector driver and called it a day with out changing up the management system. I might be runing a BS3 setup later, but thats only if I want to run 16 injectors. But for what your goal is the stock ECU is more than fine.
06-02-2010, 12:02 PM
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I am not saying right at 1000hp about around that hp rating. The problem when you start creating that much power it starts getting very hard for the stock ecu to control the injectors and its good to swich over to a stand alone system where you can control each injector seperate. Not saying 1000+hp cant be done on the stock ecu. You just wont catch me doing it with that much money in my motor
I hate to
this thread but my goals are 1k+ to the wheels and i was planning on just using the stock ecu and a injector driver box rev limit 7.1k
06-02-2010, 12:02 PM
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I have an s91 build right now on my 408 with a 4l80e going on and I am running 120# injectors and going e85 prob. I still have a stock ECU and runing it with no problems. The only thing I did was get an injector driver and called it a day with out changing up the management system. I might be runing a BS3 setup later, but thats only if I want to run 16 injectors. But for what your goal is the stock ECU is more than fine.
Corpse are you going to be running truck manifolds? And why the 408 instead of a 370? Also how much boost are you gonna run with e85? Thanks