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Old 11-12-2010, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 25thredrs
Thanks.....What did you figure out was leaking on your setup?
i had a couple small cold pipe leaks but i have major injector leaks!! My aeromotive fuel rails were cocked a bit and it placed the injectors at an awkward angle which caused big boost leaks.
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Default IM thinking my turbos are too big.

Took the car to the track today.....Same thing...Ran 11.55 at 130mph...Boost is still not strong until late in the RPM Range. It's acting like a huge single turbo car. When it finally hit's full boost at 5000 rpm it pulls like an SOB. Im wondering if it is just the fact that these turbos may be too much for my 370ci. The exhaust housings are .68 each but wondering if the compressor housings are just too big. let me know what you think.
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Anyone have a comment on the turbo size?
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What boost level to go 130? Unless the car is over 4000lbs 130 is a little slow for 800whp.

If its a low boost level and the gates are cracking that is normal to see boost come on late, especially with the combination.

A boost controller keeping them closed up will help a lot. Also what kind of timing and AFR coming into boost?
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Originally Posted by 25thredrs
Anyone have a comment on the turbo size?
If these are front mounted, imho they should be fine. Have you check for boost leaks with a regulated compressor? I would check cold and hot side. Pull the valve covers and loosen the rockers so you can check the complete system, cold/hot side. Those 66's up front should spool plenty fast. Best of luck. p.s.... do you have fresh plugs in it? if you have weak/hurt plugs, it will kill spool
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Originally Posted by cracker
AFR Dual Springs are junk. Even at 600 rwhp (boosted).

Swapped them out with PRC extremes, problems gone. KWIKKAR had the exact same issue on his APS SS and made right at 1000 rwhp on 19 lbs.

Although it does sound like you have a leak somewhere

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My AFR duals work just fine. You guys using a heavy rocker arm or something?
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still waiting for screen shot of MAP/Boost curve.
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Originally Posted by cracker
AFR Dual Springs are junk. Even at 600 rwhp (boosted).

Swapped them out with PRC extremes, problems gone. KWIKKAR had the exact same issue on his APS SS and made right at 1000 rwhp on 19 lbs.

Although it does sound like you have a leak somewhere

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Depends on the spring you're talking about.

A AFR 8019 spring is damn near identical in spring pressures to a PRC Extreme.

PRC Extreme:
Spring Pressure Closed: 155 lbs. @ 1.800"
Spring Pressure Open: 410 lbs. @ 1.140"
Coil Bind: 1.090"


AFR 8019:
Spring Pressure Closed: 155# @1.810
Spring Pressure Open: 412# @ 1.210
Coil Bind: 1.080"

Not sure what comes standard on AFR's but I have always chose to get the better spring.
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Also AFR uses a PAC spring which is much better then any PRC.
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check for leaks with a compressor @15#s. check around the injectors, iac valve, throttlebody flange ect. any can be leaking, and even a few could be leaking a tiny bit.
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also, alotta times im seeing ppl use arp head studs, and they usually dont clear on some of these aluminum intakes. the top row of small studs that are supposed to fit under the intake between the ports, actually stick out further that the intake surface. stock intakes aernt solid in that area, but most of the aluminum intakes are.
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Originally Posted by hellbents10
What boost level to go 130? Unless the car is over 4000lbs 130 is a little slow for 800whp.

If its a low boost level and the gates are cracking that is normal to see boost come on late, especially with the combination.

A boost controller keeping them closed up will help a lot. Also what kind of timing and AFR coming into boost?
I hit 16.6 lb's of boost on that run and I am running a turbosmart E boost street with dual solenoids. Not real sure on the timing but I believe it is pretty solid at 11.5 AFR throughout rpm range.
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Originally Posted by TracyRR
If these are front mounted, imho they should be fine. Have you check for boost leaks with a regulated compressor? I would check cold and hot side. Pull the valve covers and loosen the rockers so you can check the complete system, cold/hot side. Those 66's up front should spool plenty fast. Best of luck. p.s.... do you have fresh plugs in it? if you have weak/hurt plugs, it will kill spool
No I haven't checked with regulated air...what is the best way to do that and I will sure check. I put brand new plugs in it the day before it was dynoed.
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Originally Posted by Bobsmyuncle
also, alotta times im seeing ppl use arp head studs, and they usually dont clear on some of these aluminum intakes. the top row of small studs that are supposed to fit under the intake between the ports, actually stick out further that the intake surface. stock intakes aernt solid in that area, but most of the aluminum intakes are.
I have not heard of this. I am running ARP headstuds. I cannot say that they are not hitting for sure but I didn't notice anything when installing the manifold.
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Originally Posted by 25thredrs
No I haven't checked with regulated air...what is the best way to do that and I will sure check. I put brand new plugs in it the day before it was dynoed.
loosen the rockers to close the valves, plug off the turbo air inlet (i used 4" pvc plug) and install a fitting on the end so you can hook up a compressor air hose. Set your regulated air to 15 pounds or so and listen for leaks. You can also check the hot side using the same technique. I think you will be surprised how much air a small leak can produce. Best of luck.
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thanks...Ill give this a shot on Friday and see what I come up with.
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Originally Posted by 25thredrs
I have not heard of this. I am running ARP headstuds. I cannot say that they are not hitting for sure but I didn't notice anything when installing the manifold.
its pretty hard to notice, they just barely stick past the head surface, i know the bbk's dont clear. but yes, they defanitly will leak
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i searched some pics of the vic jr's. and they are cut aout where the bbk's hit the stud nuts. so u should be in the clear, rule this out.
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Originally Posted by Bobsmyuncle
i searched some pics of the vic jr's. and they are cut aout where the bbk's hit the stud nuts. so u should be in the clear, rule this out.
Ok...thanks for doing some research for me.....I am going to go to lowes friday and buy the supplies to make a leak tester with valve stems and a pressure gauge so I can fill the system and then listen for leaks.
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Originally Posted by 25thredrs
Ok...thanks for doing some research for me.....I am going to go to lowes friday and buy the supplies to make a leak tester with valve stems and a pressure gauge so I can fill the system and then listen for leaks.
this is your best bet. check injectors, map sensor, throttlebody, ect. soapy water in a spray bottle. clean it up and check for leaks at the same time lol


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