Basic Turbo 5.3
12-17-2010, 07:21 AM
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Basic Turbo 5.3 I've been reading up on everything but most related articles are showing builds that are more complicated than I'm looking for.
I'm planning to put a 5.3 in my '56 Ford in the near future. I'll be using EFI and a TH400 until I have enough cash to swap the rear and install a T56. At first I just wanted a stock engine with no mods, but the go-fast itch is always there and it's got me wondering about boost.
I'm considering a single turbo setup. I'm not looking for major power, but just a little kick in the pants without hurting anything internally and without spending gobs on aftermarket parts. I don't want to kill the MPG's either as I'm only getting 12mpg right now and looking forward to getting over 20 with a stock 5.3. Now, I've got a few questions for you guys that hopefully you can answer and add your advice/experience. The more OEM parts the better because I can easily source them from the local salvage yards.
What would the simplest single turbo setup consist of? (Turbo, Headers, Intake, Exhaust, Injectors, Throttle Body, PCM)
How much boost can a stock 5.3 take?
Has anyone else done a basic single turbo setup on a budget and can you give details on what parts you used, what you like & don't like about it?
Thanks.
I'm planning to put a 5.3 in my '56 Ford in the near future. I'll be using EFI and a TH400 until I have enough cash to swap the rear and install a T56. At first I just wanted a stock engine with no mods, but the go-fast itch is always there and it's got me wondering about boost.
I'm considering a single turbo setup. I'm not looking for major power, but just a little kick in the pants without hurting anything internally and without spending gobs on aftermarket parts. I don't want to kill the MPG's either as I'm only getting 12mpg right now and looking forward to getting over 20 with a stock 5.3. Now, I've got a few questions for you guys that hopefully you can answer and add your advice/experience. The more OEM parts the better because I can easily source them from the local salvage yards.
What would the simplest single turbo setup consist of? (Turbo, Headers, Intake, Exhaust, Injectors, Throttle Body, PCM)
How much boost can a stock 5.3 take?
Has anyone else done a basic single turbo setup on a budget and can you give details on what parts you used, what you like & don't like about it?
Thanks.
12-17-2010, 08:43 AM
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For around 550rwhp:
-Master Power T70 with .96AR
-Get some mandrel bent exhaust pipe from Jegs and build a kit to fit your Ford
-T4 flange, 2.5v bands, 3" downpipe v bands, 02 sensor bungs, all from Fleabay or sponsor like Race Parts Solutions. Air filter from RPS too.
-Tial 38 or 44 Wastegate
-Tial 50mm BOV.
There are other cheaper options for Wastegate and BOV but these are quality pieces.
-Single Walbro 255HP or twins for over 550rwhp
-Have someone change your pcm tuning to speed density, ditch the MAF, and use a Syclone/typhoon IAT sensor and Cobalt BARO for your 2 bar map sensor. Frost could get a startup tune to get you to the dyno shop.
-Fleabay for intercooler and piping, CXRacing
-60lb injectors. FIC can machine your stock ones for $200.
-Boost reference fuel pressure regulator and return fuel system. -8 feed and -6 return to allow a little for future upgrades (you will)
-Master Power T70 with .96AR
-Get some mandrel bent exhaust pipe from Jegs and build a kit to fit your Ford
-T4 flange, 2.5v bands, 3" downpipe v bands, 02 sensor bungs, all from Fleabay or sponsor like Race Parts Solutions. Air filter from RPS too.
-Tial 38 or 44 Wastegate
-Tial 50mm BOV.
There are other cheaper options for Wastegate and BOV but these are quality pieces.
-Single Walbro 255HP or twins for over 550rwhp
-Have someone change your pcm tuning to speed density, ditch the MAF, and use a Syclone/typhoon IAT sensor and Cobalt BARO for your 2 bar map sensor. Frost could get a startup tune to get you to the dyno shop.
-Fleabay for intercooler and piping, CXRacing
-60lb injectors. FIC can machine your stock ones for $200.
-Boost reference fuel pressure regulator and return fuel system. -8 feed and -6 return to allow a little for future upgrades (you will)
12-17-2010, 08:45 AM
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Use whatever manifolds fit in your chassis, lots of guys flip them around forward. Keeps the heat in. Stock throttle body is fine.
5.3's can take some abuse with a good tuner. Id keep it around 10psi. Lots of guys have pushed them farther but detonation is the killer.
5.3's can take some abuse with a good tuner. Id keep it around 10psi. Lots of guys have pushed them farther but detonation is the killer.
12-19-2010, 06:21 PM
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not trying to thread jack...
but i am also interested in this..
you say T70 turbo.. will this one work for 8-10 psi
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GT-45...Q5fAccessories
but i am also interested in this..
you say T70 turbo.. will this one work for 8-10 psi
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GT-45...Q5fAccessories
12-19-2010, 09:53 PM
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I ran 15psi on mine for 3 years without an issue. MP GT45 made 640whp bone stock shortblock and 93 oct gas.
My friend and I put together a 5.3 w/ the MP 70mm w/ .96 a/r and was intending on it being an auto with like a 3500 stall.. He ended up putting a T56 in it and it being a stick is has some lag to it. I think going w/ the .68 a/r would probably help a ton.
Your biggest MPG killer is that TH400.
But if you want a simple setup... I agree...use truck manifolds, or some factory manifolds that fit your chassis type.
My friend and I put together a 5.3 w/ the MP 70mm w/ .96 a/r and was intending on it being an auto with like a 3500 stall.. He ended up putting a T56 in it and it being a stick is has some lag to it. I think going w/ the .68 a/r would probably help a ton.
Your biggest MPG killer is that TH400.
But if you want a simple setup... I agree...use truck manifolds, or some factory manifolds that fit your chassis type.
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12-20-2010, 03:33 AM
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could you list the mods
do you have an idea what 10 psi would result in hp wise ?
Thanks
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12-20-2010, 03:36 AM
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I ran 15psi on mine for 3 years without an issue. MP GT45 made 640whp bone stock shortblock and 93 oct gas.
My friend and I put together a 5.3 w/ the MP 70mm w/ .96 a/r and was intending on it being an auto with like a 3500 stall.. He ended up putting a T56 in it and it being a stick is has some lag to it. I think going w/ the .68 a/r would probably help a ton.
Your biggest MPG killer is that TH400.
But if you want a simple setup... I agree...use truck manifolds, or some factory manifolds that fit your chassis type.
My friend and I put together a 5.3 w/ the MP 70mm w/ .96 a/r and was intending on it being an auto with like a 3500 stall.. He ended up putting a T56 in it and it being a stick is has some lag to it. I think going w/ the .68 a/r would probably help a ton.
Your biggest MPG killer is that TH400.
But if you want a simple setup... I agree...use truck manifolds, or some factory manifolds that fit your chassis type.
12-20-2010, 06:16 AM
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Im not sure what 10psi would have been.
Not sure, he never ran it... he started having clutch problems.
12-20-2010, 09:28 AM
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For me a basic 5.3 build would look like this
Stock 5.3
Change the truck intake out use ls1 intake and rails
Holley hp efi plug and play for $1500
Corvette manifolds flipped
Single mpt76 turbo t4(only about 19lbs and compact unlike the big t6 turbos)
60 lb injectors
Idle like a stocker and make 500+ to the wheels
Stock 5.3
Change the truck intake out use ls1 intake and rails
Holley hp efi plug and play for $1500
Corvette manifolds flipped
Single mpt76 turbo t4(only about 19lbs and compact unlike the big t6 turbos)
60 lb injectors
Idle like a stocker and make 500+ to the wheels
12-20-2010, 02:34 PM
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12-20-2010, 02:44 PM
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For me a basic 5.3 build would look like this
Stock 5.3
Change the truck intake out use ls1 intake and rails
Holley hp efi plug and play for $1500
Corvette manifolds flipped
Single mpt76 turbo t4(only about 19lbs and compact unlike the big t6 turbos)
60 lb injectors
Idle like a stocker and make 500+ to the wheels
Stock 5.3
Change the truck intake out use ls1 intake and rails
Holley hp efi plug and play for $1500
Corvette manifolds flipped
Single mpt76 turbo t4(only about 19lbs and compact unlike the big t6 turbos)
60 lb injectors
Idle like a stocker and make 500+ to the wheels
Also if you are only going for 500whp i'd stay w/ the 70mm.
12-21-2010, 01:16 AM
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Why go with the $1500. holley setup? I talked to the Holley team down at their research place in bowling green.. for some reason I doubt anything you get from them would be just plug and play on a boosted setup. I'd take that cash and get a stock PCM, HP Tuners, and then throw the remaining money into a vic jr intake and elbow and rails and a LS6 cam.
Also if you are only going for 500whp i'd stay w/ the 70mm.
Also if you are only going for 500whp i'd stay w/ the 70mm.
can I ask how much it costs for
pcm
wiring harness
hp tuners
and where does one get the wiring harness from.
also, does the factory pcm support 3 bar boost, or only 2 bar boost. finally, is the tuning real time?
if It works and saves money, I say why not?
12-21-2010, 08:19 AM
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question for ya. I dont know about the hp tuners but my buddy is doing a 6.0 now and it might be an option to save money.
can I ask how much it costs for
pcm
wiring harness
hp tuners
and where does one get the wiring harness from.
also, does the factory pcm support 3 bar boost, or only 2 bar boost. finally, is the tuning real time?
if It works and saves money, I say why not?
can I ask how much it costs for
pcm
wiring harness
hp tuners
and where does one get the wiring harness from.
also, does the factory pcm support 3 bar boost, or only 2 bar boost. finally, is the tuning real time?
if It works and saves money, I say why not?
Harness - $100-200. used in classifieds, ebay...etc.
HP Tuners new -$499. I dont know the details of the new credit system. Go here and reead http://www.hptuners.com/
12-24-2010, 08:04 PM
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PCM - $100 used in classifieds, ebay... etc.
Harness - $100-200. used in classifieds, ebay...etc.
HP Tuners new -$499. I dont know the details of the new credit system. Go here and reead http://www.hptuners.com/
Harness - $100-200. used in classifieds, ebay...etc.
HP Tuners new -$499. I dont know the details of the new credit system. Go here and reead http://www.hptuners.com/
does it support logging? how about internal datalogging?
is there closed loop control?
how well does it do real time tuning?
