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Old Jan 10, 2011 | 11:18 AM
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hey zombie, do you have an opinion of what i'm about to do with my cold side? Thanks for your input.
Going dual 2" will flow more, but I have no idea how much it will help.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 10:19 AM
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Hey phil, do you think the dual 2" charge pipes that i'm about to do are about the right size to use? Any other opinions before i start running pipe? thanks guys
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 10:30 AM
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Hey phil, do you think the dual 2" charge pipes that i'm about to do are about the right size to use? Any other opinions before i start running pipe? thanks guys
What size do you have now, can you use 1 tube or does it have to be 2? I'll put it in the calculator and see what she comes up with tomorrow.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 10:58 AM
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What size do you have now, can you use 1 tube or does it have to be 2? I'll put it in the calculator and see what she comes up with tomorrow.
i currently have dual 1.75" charge pipes and was going to change over to dual 2"... because of packaging, i have to go with dual charge pipes instead of one larger pipe. Thanks!
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 11:10 AM
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Holy small charge pipe batman!

Whats it make for power? Great work BTW, backpressure is something so often overlooked.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HydroStream6
Just something to think about. Suppose in a particular turbo setup, the turbine wheel/housing is the restriction of the hot side. Suppose you've reached a plateau where adding more boost is no longer making any more power due to back pressure. Now also suppose this setup has excessively large waste gates for boost control, and now you want to spray a 200 shot on top of this combo. Would it make the power you would expect from a 200 shot, or would the restrictive turbine/wheel combo still limit power?

Just curious to see what everyone thinks.
It will make more power with the "200 shot" but not as much as if the restriction were not there. Also the "200" in a "200 shot" is a reference to additional flywheel or RW HP. Some people simply correlate it to an advertised jet combo from a nitrous company. So your 200 shot may only give you 50-100 hp in your choked system where as it could make 400 on an unrestricted system depending on the boost level.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 12:40 PM
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But what I'm getting at is, say you have an infinitely large waste gate. It cannot help for turbine back pressure as that would only decrease the amount of boost created (drive pressure and all that). But could it help with the overall "restrictiveness" of the exhaust system, giving the exhaust spent by the added nitrous a place to go?
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis at GSS
Holy small charge pipe batman!

Whats it make for power? Great work BTW, backpressure is something so often overlooked.
thanks louis, on 14 pounds it made a little under 700rwhp with high backpressure.... It actually made less power when i cranked the boost up. Now with the backpressure in check, it pulls much harder with more boost! My guesstimate would be 800+ rwhp at 18 - 20 pounds. Think i read somewhere that a restrictive charge side can increase backpressure on the hot side....? Is that correct? Thanks
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TracyRR
Think i read somewhere that a restrictive charge side can increase backpressure on the hot side....? Is that correct? Thanks
I believe it would, anything that slows down the turbine speed can cause back pressure issues, I had a car with an air filter that wasn't sized correctly cause back pressure issues.
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BLKHAWK1
I believe it would, anything that slows down the turbine speed can cause back pressure issues, I had a car with an air filter that wasn't sized correctly cause back pressure issues.
Thanks

The precision 6262's have a 2.5" charge outlet but my gut is telling me that is too large unless i hear different. What do other twin guys run? Front or rear mount... just curious. Thanks
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 09:15 AM
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Ok on the charge pipe,
Dual pipes:
1.75" = 800fps
2.00" = 607fps
2.25" = 480fps
2.50" = 345fps

most of the setups are 500 to 625, 2" is money.
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
Ok on the charge pipe,
Dual pipes:
1.75" = 800fps
2.00" = 607fps
2.25" = 480fps
2.50" = 345fps

most of the setups are 500 to 625, 2" is money.
You are the man phil!! question, i'm guesssing fps is speed? If so, my current charge side is too fast and causes what issue? I'm guessing it becomes a restriction. Thanks so much phil!

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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TracyRR
You are the man phil!! question, i'm guesssing fps is speed? If so, my current charge side is too fast and causes what issue? I'm guessing it becomes a restriction. Thanks so much phil!
yeah, I take it as a way to generalize tube size. This is just stuff from a book, nothing I came up with.
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Phil does it say at what pressure those numbers are?
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JAX04
Phil does it say at what pressure those numbers are?
I think they were...
19# of boost
.90 VE
.55 BSFC
7000rpms
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
I think they were...
19# of boost
.90 VE
.55 BSFC
7000rpms
phil, in your fps post, at 800fps, is it a restriction or ?... Thanks
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Old Jan 14, 2011 | 11:11 AM
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interesting, thank you
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
I think they were...
19# of boost
.90 VE
.55 BSFC
7000rpms
Boost shouldn't matter, it should always be the same speed at .9 VE an 7000 rpms.
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Originally Posted by HydroStream6
But what I'm getting at is, say you have an infinitely large waste gate. It cannot help for turbine back pressure as that would only decrease the amount of boost created (drive pressure and all that). But could it help with the overall "restrictiveness" of the exhaust system, giving the exhaust spent by the added nitrous a place to go?
No. Exhaust gas is exhaust gas. Doesn't matter how you make it. The only way a larger wastegate will help anything is if your current WG is hanging wide open and you are over boosting and overpressure in your exhaust.

For exaggeration's sake, Let's say you have a tiny turbo (35mm T3 tiny) and you are feeding it with a big block v8. Now you have a little 38mm gate on the hotside. It would probably be at full boost at idle even with no spring in the gate and it hanging wide open. Now, you could put your "inifinity" gate on there and it would bypass all your exaust pressure out of it or just enough to keep the turbo spooled all the way up and the rest would go out of it. Not sure if that paints a clearer picture.
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Originally Posted by slow67
Boost shouldn't matter, it should always be the same speed at .9 VE an 7000 rpms.
Power = airflow, as power goes up, airflow goes up. So your motor will move the same amount of air at 14# of boost and 700hp as 28# of boost and 1400hp??
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