High HP on Stock ECU
Another factor is data logging. I'm not sure what you stock PCM guys are doing for data logging, but I know I'd be lost without my data. I use my BS3 for a boost controller, 2/3 step, TC module, and data logger. All for about $3k retail.
Can you stock PCM guys log driveshaft speed through the PCM? Or would you have to do that seperately somehow?
The stock PCM is fine to 1300 whp, maybe 1500, maybe more, but once you start spending money on WBO2, data logging equipment, 2/3 step modules, boost controllers, traction control devices, EFI Live, HP Tuners, whatever, etc. That's all money you could have invested into a stand alone system that can do so much more and basically has no limits.
Can you stock PCM guys log driveshaft speed through the PCM? Or would you have to do that seperately somehow?
The stock PCM is fine to 1300 whp, maybe 1500, maybe more, but once you start spending money on WBO2, data logging equipment, 2/3 step modules, boost controllers, traction control devices, EFI Live, HP Tuners, whatever, etc. That's all money you could have invested into a stand alone system that can do so much more and basically has no limits.
Another factor is data logging. I'm not sure what you stock PCM guys are doing for data logging, but I know I'd be lost without my data. I use my BS3 for a boost controller, 2/3 step, TC module, and data logger. All for about $3k retail.
Can you stock PCM guys log driveshaft speed through the PCM? Or would you have to do that seperately somehow?
The stock PCM is fine to 1300 whp, maybe 1500, maybe more, but once you start spending money on WBO2, data logging equipment, 2/3 step modules, boost controllers, traction control devices, EFI Live, HP Tuners, whatever, etc. That's all money you could have invested into a stand alone system that can do so much more and basically has no limits.
Can you stock PCM guys log driveshaft speed through the PCM? Or would you have to do that seperately somehow?
The stock PCM is fine to 1300 whp, maybe 1500, maybe more, but once you start spending money on WBO2, data logging equipment, 2/3 step modules, boost controllers, traction control devices, EFI Live, HP Tuners, whatever, etc. That's all money you could have invested into a stand alone system that can do so much more and basically has no limits.
data is king, i agree, is there a 2000.00 solution? harness and ecu? if i could find something like this with wideband i would jump on it. dont the low z injectors cost less as well?
Maybe so, but only one holds these records:
- Quickest LS1 car on the planet - Moran/WW2 6.8
- Fastest LS1 car on the planet (on radials too) - Fereday 209
- Quickest and fastest turbo car on the planet - Personett 5.8/255
- Quickest and fastest radial car on the planet - Wolfe 6.5/227
- Quickest and fastest 10.5 car on the planet - Personett 6.0/250
- many, many more
I'm just sayin'
- Quickest LS1 car on the planet - Moran/WW2 6.8
- Fastest LS1 car on the planet (on radials too) - Fereday 209
- Quickest and fastest turbo car on the planet - Personett 5.8/255
- Quickest and fastest radial car on the planet - Wolfe 6.5/227
- Quickest and fastest 10.5 car on the planet - Personett 6.0/250
- many, many more
I'm just sayin'
I could see you saying that to a spark plug wire choice. deciding what will be controlling an engine is a major choice as well as one of the most expensive, if you look at it as a component to the over all set up.
A main deterrent for me was that the BS3 isn't set up for running your factory gauges, AC, Cruise, etc. And for us street car guys that is a big deal. More recently I believe they added an option to piggyback the factory PCM to run the above but at that point, why run 2 PCMs. I looked into the FJO WB and engine datalogging software which is not too pricey.
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The factory computer has a hard codded # of 255kpa. That is the biggest value on the table. We are in the process of coming up with ways to trick the system so we can tune for higher boost levels. Hope that answers your questions.
A main deterrent for me was that the BS3 isn't set up for running your factory gauges, AC, Cruise, etc. And for us street car guys that is a big deal. More recently I believe they added an option to piggyback the factory PCM to run the above but at that point, why run 2 PCMs. I looked into the FJO WB and engine datalogging software which is not too pricey.
Is the LS car's gauges and AC more complex than an LT car?
I put BS3 on an LT car and kept all the factory gauges, AC, cruise, etc. I completely removed the factory PCM, it took a little work but definitely easy stuff. I had to replace the AC pressure sensor with an older on/off style switch and rewire the input from the HVAC controls since the output was (+) trigger and the relay was (-) trigger, no big deal. And I used a signal converter from Dakota Digital to convert the AC VSS signal to a 12 vDC square wave, cheap and easy. That car makes 660 rwhp. I delivered to the owner (1000 miles away) and got 20 mpg on the way down. He drives the car all year and has had zero isses. That was in March 2008.
Is the LS car's gauges and AC more complex than an LT car?
Is the LS car's gauges and AC more complex than an LT car?
yes on a e40, and e38 computer, but the older 411 box pcm's have 3 bar capabilties
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Maybe so, but only one holds these records:
- Quickest LS1 car on the planet - Moran/WW2 6.8
- Fastest LS1 car on the planet (on radials too) - Fereday 209
- Quickest and fastest turbo car on the planet - Personett 5.8/255
- Quickest and fastest radial car on the planet - Wolfe 6.5/227
- Quickest and fastest 10.5 car on the planet - Personett 6.0/250
- many, many more
I'm just sayin'
- Quickest LS1 car on the planet - Moran/WW2 6.8
- Fastest LS1 car on the planet (on radials too) - Fereday 209
- Quickest and fastest turbo car on the planet - Personett 5.8/255
- Quickest and fastest radial car on the planet - Wolfe 6.5/227
- Quickest and fastest 10.5 car on the planet - Personett 6.0/250
- many, many more
I'm just sayin'