MAGGIE VS WHIPPLE on LS3 camaro (want input)
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What's the target HP for the car? I'm going to say TVS2300 just to be different, since I actually own one. There's nothing wrong with a Whipple, you can't really go wrong with either one. There aren't too many people making high HP with the Whipple 2.9, but a lot of places have pushed the Maggie to extreme rotor speeds and nary a problem. IAT2's are similar for the same boost levels between them, believe it or not. You "should" be able to get more from the Whipple but so far I just haven't seen one.
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I'd leave the Edelbrock on the sidelines. Those things run hot even when not under boost.
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What's the target HP for the car? I'm going to say TVS2300 just to be different, since I actually own one. There's nothing wrong with a Whipple, you can't really go wrong with either one. There aren't too many people making high HP with the Whipple 2.9, but a lot of places have pushed the Maggie to extreme rotor speeds and nary a problem. IAT2's are similar for the same boost levels between them, believe it or not. You "should" be able to get more from the Whipple but so far I just haven't seen one.
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there arent to many high hp builds with whipples? there are alot. visit some 5th gen camaro forums or scroll go down to the dyno section and you'll c vengance has what i believe a 700whp build. out of the box the whipple gets u nearly 600whp and 550wtq maggies are around 530whp and 550wtq. both r great blowers, be happy with either one. but the whipple has more room to grow. and will run cooler once u start increasing the boost.
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From an earlier post: ..."If money isn't an object"...
I hear and read this fairly frequently. I admit, I don't have very many friends, and of those, only a couple have enough money to buy anything they want, perhaps I just need to hang around more trust babies, because so far those few affluent people I know never seem to say "Money is no object"...
In the roots vs screw debate, cost/hp is likely to be higher on the screw compressor because it simply has lower production volumes, and arguably is more complicated to manufacture.
If your talking about some sort of class racing, then the $ can perhaps be justified by a 1st place vs 2nd place finish, but in a street car?
Several unknowns:
I know what I paid for my wife's TVS2300... I don't know how much people pay for a Whipple or other screw setup.
I know how reliable the TVS has been so far. Can a whipple run 15K miles without anything other than changing the oil in the engine?
One significant advantage to the TVS is the high production volume, typically the larger the number of units produced, the less likely any one unit is to have a premature failure or warranty related issue.
I hear and read this fairly frequently. I admit, I don't have very many friends, and of those, only a couple have enough money to buy anything they want, perhaps I just need to hang around more trust babies, because so far those few affluent people I know never seem to say "Money is no object"...
In the roots vs screw debate, cost/hp is likely to be higher on the screw compressor because it simply has lower production volumes, and arguably is more complicated to manufacture.
If your talking about some sort of class racing, then the $ can perhaps be justified by a 1st place vs 2nd place finish, but in a street car?
Several unknowns:
I know what I paid for my wife's TVS2300... I don't know how much people pay for a Whipple or other screw setup.
I know how reliable the TVS has been so far. Can a whipple run 15K miles without anything other than changing the oil in the engine?
One significant advantage to the TVS is the high production volume, typically the larger the number of units produced, the less likely any one unit is to have a premature failure or warranty related issue.
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Room to grow is the big concern everyone is talking about but the question is once you cross a certain point the blower isn't the problem. I've gotten nearly 800/800 out of a Harrop HVT2300 and loved the car. One thing I was totally impressed with was the quality of the Harrop Kit. It was complete and everything fit with no pulley alignment problems or other challenges. Additionally, the HVT2300 did not require a jackshaft which was a plus to me.
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Since my application was more extreme we added cogs and an 8 rib serpentine system with an Innovator West Dampener. Pin the Dampener, no matter what they say. There is a capacity limit but my motor was built so I have graduated to a 4.0 Liter Whipple which is different from the twin helix Maggie or HVT. I haven't kept up on the smaller Whipples and am not sure what technology they are using, I had the impression their 2.9 blower was simply a copy of the Maggie but I am not knowledgeable in that area.
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IMHO Maggie has a better support network, though in Whipple's defense mine is a one off application which took longer to explain to them than suggestions they had whenever I did ask for help. Maggie has been on the ground for a while now with the solution they are selling and is more likely to have fewer bugs and issues. As far as noise, with the Whipple, that sound the front wheels make when they come back down to the street is a total rush. JMHO
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Since my application was more extreme we added cogs and an 8 rib serpentine system with an Innovator West Dampener. Pin the Dampener, no matter what they say. There is a capacity limit but my motor was built so I have graduated to a 4.0 Liter Whipple which is different from the twin helix Maggie or HVT. I haven't kept up on the smaller Whipples and am not sure what technology they are using, I had the impression their 2.9 blower was simply a copy of the Maggie but I am not knowledgeable in that area.
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IMHO Maggie has a better support network, though in Whipple's defense mine is a one off application which took longer to explain to them than suggestions they had whenever I did ask for help. Maggie has been on the ground for a while now with the solution they are selling and is more likely to have fewer bugs and issues. As far as noise, with the Whipple, that sound the front wheels make when they come back down to the street is a total rush. JMHO