Injectors in intake pipe...
TECH Apprentice
Joined: May 2006
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From: Omaha,Ne
To do supplemental injectors with the factory computer, look at this from 034 motorsports.
http://www.034motorsport.com/034efi-...ller-p-71.html
I haven't use this myself, but considered using it with a factory computer.
So your basically doing what Nelson Racing Engines does with their race gas/pump gas dual fuel cells and 16 injectors, but just substituting the race gas for e85 correct? How many injectors total are on the motor?
Wut about if u run a nitrous plate kit and instead of spraying nitrous just spray fuel out of both jets using a window switch and adjust them till you find the right mixture, or you can just spray a small wet shot and get more horsepower and cooling effects from the nitrous
The new Stripes there carries it..
Stripes #2259
8112 Interstate 27
Lubbock, TX 79404
(806) 687-3969
There has been some talk of VP making a blend of E85.. which i'm sure will cost more, but be more available around here than driving a 240 mile round trip to get it.
Around here if a group of cars are running it some guys will just get a pot of cash together and make the drive and fill up some drums for everyone.
Crashly, or anyone else... Could you post the yellowbullet link?
I've seen another one out there, but it can only control 2-4 injectors depending on the version you get. This one you have posted is really nice with the abilility to control 1-10 extra injectors all in one box.
The Mustang or the NovaWagon aren't just using e85 to just cool the intake charge, the cars switch to the e85 completely, with 10 e85 injectors. Eight in the intake, upstream from the the gas injectors, and two in the intake track(like Mike Moran use to use)
To do supplemental injectors with the factory computer, look at this from 034 motorsports.
http://www.034motorsport.com/034efi-...ller-p-71.html
I haven't use this myself, but considered using it with a factory computer.
To do supplemental injectors with the factory computer, look at this from 034 motorsports.
http://www.034motorsport.com/034efi-...ller-p-71.html
I haven't use this myself, but considered using it with a factory computer.
I think you are thinking of the old sds injector controller. I used one of those years ago on a turbo build it worked good. I'm sure there is much better controllers now the one listed looks like a good choice.
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Looking at the Means Street rules I see a potential problem with doing this. I copied this right from the rules posted. I might be reading this wrong too.
Forced Induction:
Max 80 MM turbo (air to air intercooler) Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch from the compressor wheel.
Twin turbos allowed, max twin 61 MM turbos (air to air intercooler) Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch from the compressor wheel.
Max compressor wheel size is 88mm for singles (reduced to 80mm) and 67mm for twins (reduced to 61mm)
NO "thumper" turbos allowed
NO "cut down" compressor wheels allowed
Maximum F1R or D1R super charger or equivalent (air to air intercooler)
NO Roots type superchargers
Methanol injection or any other type of "liquid intercooling" is prohibited
All Cars must run Gasoline (no alcohol or methanol) E85 Allowed.
Progressive nitrous controllers and data recorders allowed.
Forced Induction:
Max 80 MM turbo (air to air intercooler) Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch from the compressor wheel.
Twin turbos allowed, max twin 61 MM turbos (air to air intercooler) Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch from the compressor wheel.
Max compressor wheel size is 88mm for singles (reduced to 80mm) and 67mm for twins (reduced to 61mm)
NO "thumper" turbos allowed
NO "cut down" compressor wheels allowed
Maximum F1R or D1R super charger or equivalent (air to air intercooler)
NO Roots type superchargers
Methanol injection or any other type of "liquid intercooling" is prohibitedAll Cars must run Gasoline (no alcohol or methanol) E85 Allowed.
Progressive nitrous controllers and data recorders allowed.
Looking at the Means Street rules I see a potential problem with doing this. I copied this right from the rules posted. I might be reading this wrong too.
Forced Induction:
Max 80 MM turbo (air to air intercooler) Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch from the compressor wheel.
Twin turbos allowed, max twin 61 MM turbos (air to air intercooler) Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch from the compressor wheel.
Max compressor wheel size is 88mm for singles (reduced to 80mm) and 67mm for twins (reduced to 61mm)
NO "thumper" turbos allowed
NO "cut down" compressor wheels allowed
Maximum F1R or D1R super charger or equivalent (air to air intercooler)
NO Roots type superchargers
Methanol injection or any other type of "liquid intercooling" is prohibited
All Cars must run Gasoline (no alcohol or methanol) E85 Allowed.
Progressive nitrous controllers and data recorders allowed.
Forced Induction:
Max 80 MM turbo (air to air intercooler) Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch from the compressor wheel.
Twin turbos allowed, max twin 61 MM turbos (air to air intercooler) Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch from the compressor wheel.
Max compressor wheel size is 88mm for singles (reduced to 80mm) and 67mm for twins (reduced to 61mm)
NO "thumper" turbos allowed
NO "cut down" compressor wheels allowed
Maximum F1R or D1R super charger or equivalent (air to air intercooler)
NO Roots type superchargers
Methanol injection or any other type of "liquid intercooling" is prohibitedAll Cars must run Gasoline (no alcohol or methanol) E85 Allowed.
Progressive nitrous controllers and data recorders allowed.
I mean its not my fault that it just so happens to cool the intake charge as well? Right?
Thats a legit question, not trying to sound like a smart ***
I do not know. I think you could make that case. But I am not sure it will fly. I would think that you would have to be able to prove it was part of the main fueling, that it was infact fueling all the time even at idle. I would think if it was "on the intake runner" after the throttle body flange it would not be an issue. If you ran 8 small injectors and 8 large injectors, two on each runner with one set as close to the plenum as possible, I do not see how that would violate the rule. But if they only worked under boost someone could protest and make the point it was done for 'Liquid Cooling" purposes. If you installed them before the TB in the charge pipping I could see how this would violate the rules.
Looking at the present rules I would advise to run 16 injectors total, installing half of them either in the plenum area or as close to the plenum on the intake runner as possible. I would think they would have to be after the TB. I would think the more time the fuel is in the air stream the more cooling you will get from it.
I have an aftermarket PCM and have been looking for a good excuse to use it. I think I might have found it. E85 does mean you have to burn alot more of it then gasoline.
Looking at the present rules I would advise to run 16 injectors total, installing half of them either in the plenum area or as close to the plenum on the intake runner as possible. I would think they would have to be after the TB. I would think the more time the fuel is in the air stream the more cooling you will get from it.
I have an aftermarket PCM and have been looking for a good excuse to use it. I think I might have found it. E85 does mean you have to burn alot more of it then gasoline.
I do not know. I think you could make that case. But I am not sure it will fly. I would think that you would have to be able to prove it was part of the main fueling, that it was infact fueling all the time even at idle. I would think if it was "on the intake runner" after the throttle body flange it would not be an issue. If you ran 8 small injectors and 8 large injectors, two on each runner with one set as close to the plenum as possible, I do not see how that would violate the rule. But if they only worked under boost someone could protest and make the point it was done for 'Liquid Cooling" purposes. If you installed them before the TB in the charge pipping I could see how this would violate the rules.
Looking at the present rules I would advise to run 16 injectors total, installing half of them either in the plenum area or as close to the plenum on the intake runner as possible. I would think they would have to be after the TB. I would think the more time the fuel is in the air stream the more cooling you will get from it.
I have an aftermarket PCM and have been looking for a good excuse to use it. I think I might have found it. E85 does mean you have to burn alot more of it then gasoline.
Looking at the present rules I would advise to run 16 injectors total, installing half of them either in the plenum area or as close to the plenum on the intake runner as possible. I would think they would have to be after the TB. I would think the more time the fuel is in the air stream the more cooling you will get from it.
I have an aftermarket PCM and have been looking for a good excuse to use it. I think I might have found it. E85 does mean you have to burn alot more of it then gasoline.
Just keep you 98 PCM for gauges/timing, and do Megasquirt for fueling.
This is your best be for more than 1 reason.....
http://www.hotrod.com/pitstop/hrdp_0...ctor_location/
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The reason for the change was improved fuel atomization at 10,000 rpm
Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/pitstop/hrdp_0704_pitstop_fuel_injector_location/photo_02.html#ixzz1YcW7YiML"
Obviously, it does have a difference, but I'm not sure how many people will be spinning that kind of RPM.
The reason for the change was improved fuel atomization at 10,000 rpm
Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/pitstop/hrdp_0704_pitstop_fuel_injector_location/photo_02.html#ixzz1YcW7YiML"
Obviously, it does have a difference, but I'm not sure how many people will be spinning that kind of RPM.
You are correct, we are kicking around some ideas but the way the rules are written you would need to use any extra injection to fuel the motor, can't use any type of injection before the TB, the only thing that can be in front of the TB is the A2A if you run one. That is what got me thinking of my idea in the post I made back at the start of the thread.
Regards,
Kurt
Can You put an extension where Your throttle body is mounted and move the throttle body a couple inches (6"?) forward (or down) from the manifold? Your injector would be post throttle body, but this would help alleviate concerns with fuel distribution.
Regards,
Kurt
Regards,
Kurt