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Old 01-20-2014, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by HRHohio
What plugs are you running on this setup?

Congratulations on your progress. Outstanding... And "Conservative and alive" is a good thing. More time racing... less time wrenching.
BR7EF. I had two sets of 8's, but they are non-resistor and Microsquirt really does not like non-resistor plugs. However, I know that if I want to turn it up, I am going to need to run a colder plug.

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Ahhh. Thanks for the info. Congrats again!
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Originally Posted by OldGold
The last time I hit it with 15* I melted a plug and bent a valve 900 feet out and coasted to a 9.3 after a 5.9 in the 1/8. The car will run 8's as it sits on 18 psi. Once the intake and springs are swapped, I think it will make more power without the need for much more timing. I prefer to sneak up on this. I am in no rush.

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Weird. I ran 16 degrees 50/50 91 and 112 on 9psi on the front half and 17psi on the back half, spun to 7000 and its alive. Lots of different ways to make power.

Like I said its obviously working well. I do like the wider window you have with less timing and after hurting an engine from timing... I don't blame you for the approach lol.
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Originally Posted by ls1_chevelle
Weird. I ran 16 degrees 50/50 91 and 112 on 9psi on the front half and 17psi on the back half, spun to 7000 and its alive. Lots of different ways to make power.

Like I said its obviously working well. I do like the wider window you have with less timing and after hurting an engine from timing... I don't blame you for the approach lol.
Not saying it was definitely a timing issue. But, timing makes me nervous. I popped a ring land on a 5.3 in this car on 13 psi, 15* timing and Prestone wiper fluid. While I was at the dyno this weekend, my friend lifted a head on his Vette on 17 psi and 17* of timing and pump.

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17/17 stranger danger
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Originally Posted by OldGold
Slowly getting there.

I will put in some fresh plugs next time for Martin, LOL.

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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Because until Mike can put fresh plugs in it and read them after a pull the timing will stay at 13-14*.

It's making dumb power for 18psi the way it sits right now, really no need to cram timing down its throat.

I'd rather turn up the boost and leave the timing low. Timing is what wrecks engines. I like managing the cylinder pressure the engine is making by running low timing and running a lot of boost.
It took us a while but 20 years ago we learned this with the turbo Buicks. Keep the timing conservative and keep cranking the horse power ****.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Because until Mike can put fresh plugs in it and read them after a pull the timing will stay at 13-14*.

It's making dumb power for 18psi the way it sits right now, really no need to cram timing down its throat.

I'd rather turn up the boost and leave the timing low. Timing is what wrecks engines. I like managing the cylinder pressure the engine is making by running low timing and running a lot of boost.
whoa whoa! sounds like you have been going to sloppy school!
drinking my coolaid lol

what i always do when a car makes power that easily, or seemingly easily, i pull 1-2 deg out, and see if it makes the same power while i am on the dyno, then i know if i was a little over center to begin with.

just a suggestion, i also like to read the strap
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Originally Posted by denmah
whoa whoa! sounds like you have been going to sloppy school!
drinking my coolaid lol

what i always do when a car makes power that easily, or seemingly easily, i pull 1-2 deg out, and see if it makes the same power while i am on the dyno, then i know if i was a little over center to begin with.

just a suggestion, i also like to read the strap
That is a good idea, Matt.
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Originally Posted by denmah
whoa whoa! sounds like you have been going to sloppy school!
drinking my coolaid lol

what i always do when a car makes power that easily, or seemingly easily, i pull 1-2 deg out, and see if it makes the same power while i am on the dyno, then i know if i was a little over center to begin with.

just a suggestion, i also like to read the strap
Oh believe you me, when he pulls those fresh plugs out with one dyno pull on them, and the timing mark is where I think it is on straight 116, it's getting enough timing to make even a sloppy sensai cringe.

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I need to stay off this forum untill i get my garage done, cars like these make me want to say screw it and start my car instead! lol Awesome build, nice to see it stay alive on the forum after the sale.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Oh believe you me, when he pulls those fresh plugs out with one dyno pull on them, and the timing mark is where I think it is on straight 116, it's getting enough timing to make even a sloppy sensai cringe.

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What size hotside were you running before you changed to the 2.25 hotside?
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Originally Posted by Joye227
What size hotside were you running before you changed to the 2.25 hotside?
a 2.5 disaster that i built
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Is this car controlled by Microsquirt?
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I assume so, since it has a seperate controller for the trans.
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Never mind. Just saw that answer to that question.
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Originally Posted by Joye227
Is this car controlled by Microsquirt?
yes its running microsquirt and an optishift trans controller
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Nice job on the car Mike, anytime you ready to add that anti roll bar. Let me know. And I'm sure with that new found power a cage upgrade will be needed soon lol. I will be home from Brazil Saturday. I'll hit u up.
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Originally Posted by kjm
Nice job on the car Mike, anytime you ready to add that anti roll bar. Let me know. And I'm sure with that new found power a cage upgrade will be needed soon lol. I will be home from Brazil Saturday. I'll hit u up.
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Let me know when you are back in town.

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