2012 update!
Just wondering why you would say that it hydrolocked when it appears there is no water on the deck of this motor? Only way would be to pour methanol right into the runners. really dont give a **** if the sleeves dropped or not there is no water getting in that motor and the rods bending is simply an improper application
I don't see how hydrolocking the engine has anything to do with the sleeves dropping though?
The main thing though that neither AES nor Callies wants to out and admit is that those rods had NO place no matter if Austin Coil told me those rods were good for 2500hp would I use them.
I know you would know better than to use H-beams at anything over 1200-1300hp.
Perhaps Callies should change their website?
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"the Ultra H is designed to satisfy the requirements of the most demanding racing applications."
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A bit of AES bashing in here from something that doesn't even look like their fault in the end....
Interesting. Most other forums i've been on, the thread/posts would be deleted and the argument taken to PM's. Regardless of who the OP is.
Best of luck getting it back together and running some times!
Interesting. Most other forums i've been on, the thread/posts would be deleted and the argument taken to PM's. Regardless of who the OP is.
Best of luck getting it back together and running some times!
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Its does happen, world has a tech bulletin for the issue.
http://www.worldcastings.com/product...f_file-129.pdf
Initially we installed torque plates, gaskets, studs, on the block put it in an oven for an hour at 160ºF
Then we decked the block.
Later on we installed torque plates again to fill the block, at this stage the sleeves didn't move.
Then we torque plate honed the block, it had torque plates on it 3 times and was heat cycled.
Andreas uses a Pyramid ring that sandwiches itself between the sleeve and cylinder head, it worked great on the iron LSX block, doesn't look like the warhawk sleeves liked it.
http://www.worldcastings.com/product...f_file-129.pdf
Initially we installed torque plates, gaskets, studs, on the block put it in an oven for an hour at 160ºF
Then we decked the block.
Later on we installed torque plates again to fill the block, at this stage the sleeves didn't move.
Then we torque plate honed the block, it had torque plates on it 3 times and was heat cycled.
Andreas uses a Pyramid ring that sandwiches itself between the sleeve and cylinder head, it worked great on the iron LSX block, doesn't look like the warhawk sleeves liked it.
Good luck getting this all resolved.
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A bit of AES bashing in here from something that doesn't even look like their fault in the end....
Interesting. Most other forums i've been on, the thread/posts would be deleted and the argument taken to PM's. Regardless of who the OP is.
Best of luck getting it back together and running some times!
Interesting. Most other forums i've been on, the thread/posts would be deleted and the argument taken to PM's. Regardless of who the OP is.
Best of luck getting it back together and running some times!
I wouldn't call it bashing per se... Most of it so far has been heated questioning. Everyone seems to be acting in a relatively civil manner for how much money/reputation is on the line.
This is a catastrophic engine failure of what was supposed to be one of the baddest LsX engines out there... We're all interested as to seeing what went wrong, and I think it would be a shame to close this post so long as everyone keeps themselves inline.
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Engine is at a engine shop here in Sweden now. They have machined a ring that fits in the bore and on top of the sleeve and then heated it up and put it in the press. They manage to seat them 0.007" more. So now you know how to do it the correct way.
They also machined the Jesel belt drive so it sits flat to the oilpan rail. It was 0.04" off.
I will post pictures as soon as we start to assembly it.
By the way, i recived my Nasty Performance billet valvecovers! They look great
They also machined the Jesel belt drive so it sits flat to the oilpan rail. It was 0.04" off.
I will post pictures as soon as we start to assembly it.
By the way, i recived my Nasty Performance billet valvecovers! They look great
If they managed to move the sleeves .007" theirs an issue with block, notwithstanding the block was torque plate hone by world, right? In that case it would have had torque plates on it 4 times before it was assembled, you've been able to move the sleeves twice since you've had it. I'm not accusing or fighting but pointing out a potential issue.
Far as the belt drive is concerned it was machined by jesel, we had to mill the front cover cause it didn't allow the cam to fit, it would bind up. That was fixed out of our own pocket.
Are you saying the block wasn't machined right for the cover? Far as I knew everything was resolved before you installed the engine.
Far as the belt drive is concerned it was machined by jesel, we had to mill the front cover cause it didn't allow the cam to fit, it would bind up. That was fixed out of our own pocket.
Are you saying the block wasn't machined right for the cover? Far as I knew everything was resolved before you installed the engine.
Last edited by AES Racing; Jun 9, 2012 at 04:49 PM.
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How could you press down the sleeves with a torque plate if the block already was decked? You have to press down the sleeves one by one in the press when the block are heated, not with a torque plate.
You know that the jesel cover didn´t line up with the oilpan rail. That was in the first email after i recived the engine.
You know that the jesel cover didn´t line up with the oilpan rail. That was in the first email after i recived the engine.
http://www.worldcastings.com/product...f_file-129.pdf
World says to use a torque plate, link is above. We did this before decking the block.
Also bear in mind, that block was a finish honed prepped block from World, should not have needed any extra attention, of course we wouldn't let that go to chance and had it thoroughly inspected.
World says to use a torque plate, link is above. We did this before decking the block.
Also bear in mind, that block was a finish honed prepped block from World, should not have needed any extra attention, of course we wouldn't let that go to chance and had it thoroughly inspected.
Has anyone tried to contact world and see what is going on? If the sleeves dropped in their block they should be responsible for all related failures. I haven't read many positive things about world products in the past, kinda b.s. their heads and block are not ready to go off the shelf.
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When you recive a new block from World the sleeves are sticking up, then you can use a torque plate to seat them. My block was free and someone already decked it. Fraser charged me for seating the sleeves with a gasket? It doesn´t matter now for they are seated in the press over here. I´m sure it will work great now.
