Lets talk electronic boost controllers!
09-16-2012, 05:35 AM
#30
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For $1500 you could buy a complete engine ecu that will also offer launch control, boost control etc etc etc
$1500 for a boost controller on it's own is just mental.
$1500 for a boost controller on it's own is just mental.
09-16-2012, 07:56 AM
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On my v6, I used the old school innovative controller with co2. It has 5-6 stages and ramps in-between all of them. Can be triggered between each stage or can be set on a timer. Always was a solid piece.
I've tuned and installed the ams500. It is a 2 stage controller with a ramp setting in-between the 2 stages. You can find used 500's for right around $300. The 500 is great for your normal street car. It actually works pretty good off of manifold pressure too. The 1000 is great for a mainly track car. Definitely has a learning curve to it. Never seen anyone use the 1000 off of manifold pressure though, not sure how it works if you don't have co2.
My 5.3 project is getting close to being done. I got the Holley efi system for it. Hope to use the ecu's controller when they release it. A guy locally is using the beta version and it works well from what I'm told.
I've tuned and installed the ams500. It is a 2 stage controller with a ramp setting in-between the 2 stages. You can find used 500's for right around $300. The 500 is great for your normal street car. It actually works pretty good off of manifold pressure too. The 1000 is great for a mainly track car. Definitely has a learning curve to it. Never seen anyone use the 1000 off of manifold pressure though, not sure how it works if you don't have co2.
My 5.3 project is getting close to being done. I got the Holley efi system for it. Hope to use the ecu's controller when they release it. A guy locally is using the beta version and it works well from what I'm told.
09-16-2012, 09:01 AM
#33
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it can do boost by gear, boost my mph or simply boost by rpm.
It also has launch control and traction control built in, and anti-lag if you wanted it.
09-17-2012, 01:30 PM
#38
I have never played with an E-boost but it sounds like it has a lot of the features some of the higher end more $$$ controllers have.
I like the Boost Leash boost controller by Leash Electronics. Randy makes some AWESOME products and the boost leash allows 5 timed boost stages and a launch boost stage. You tell it how long you want it to hold that amount of boost for and how fast it ramps to that boost number and that's it.
You can have one big long slow ramp stage with your target boost at the end, or split them up into 2, 3, 4, 5 stages.
You can also set-up the last stage as your "spool-up" on the footbrake boost setting.
What this does is when you turn the controller on it runs through it's stages and stays at the last setting until the transbrake button is pressed and released and then it cycles through it stages again.
So set the last stage up at the boost you want to target on spool-up on the footbrake to get the turbo going, bump into the lights and when you grab your transbrake it inputs to the controller that it's time to go back to the launch stage boost setting and when the transbrake input is released it starts back at stage 1-5 or how ever many you are using.
So you set your last stage at say 5psi and have it ramp in really quick and since it is the last stage it will stay on that setting for as long as it needs to until you grab the transbrake which starts it over again at launch psi.
I like the Boost Leash boost controller by Leash Electronics. Randy makes some AWESOME products and the boost leash allows 5 timed boost stages and a launch boost stage. You tell it how long you want it to hold that amount of boost for and how fast it ramps to that boost number and that's it.
You can have one big long slow ramp stage with your target boost at the end, or split them up into 2, 3, 4, 5 stages.
You can also set-up the last stage as your "spool-up" on the footbrake boost setting.
What this does is when you turn the controller on it runs through it's stages and stays at the last setting until the transbrake button is pressed and released and then it cycles through it stages again.
So set the last stage up at the boost you want to target on spool-up on the footbrake to get the turbo going, bump into the lights and when you grab your transbrake it inputs to the controller that it's time to go back to the launch stage boost setting and when the transbrake input is released it starts back at stage 1-5 or how ever many you are using.
So you set your last stage at say 5psi and have it ramp in really quick and since it is the last stage it will stay on that setting for as long as it needs to until you grab the transbrake which starts it over again at launch psi.
ams1000 functionality at about 1/2 the cost. lots of VERY fast cars using this setup.
09-17-2012, 02:41 PM
#39
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I do like EBC's they are usually simple and do a very good job. But there comes a point when a proper engine ecu is a better option, and hearing some prices quoted for EBC's, cheaper too !
09-17-2012, 04:08 PM
#40
The AMS1000 is the standard. No question about it but it does have it's drawbacks. The way that they do their ramp rates is very confusing and can sometimes require a little pen and paper to figure out.
The AMS2000 is much better (and even more expensive) as it uses a PC interface and allows for more plotting/stages.
I personally ran teh AMS500 for a little over a year and it worked very well. Specially with CO2. I will never ever bother messing with boost control without CO2.
So the only reason that I sold my AMS500 is because I am now using the Holley ECU and am beta testing the boost control. This new boost control has as many or more features than the AMS 2000. The one thing that the AMS does do better is that they've managed to come up with some sort of universal algorithm that just works without giving the controller any control guidelines (P.I.D. Control). With the Holley, you have to go thru a setup process to see how your particular regulated source pressure, solenoids and MAP work together.
The AMS2000 is much better (and even more expensive) as it uses a PC interface and allows for more plotting/stages.
I personally ran teh AMS500 for a little over a year and it worked very well. Specially with CO2. I will never ever bother messing with boost control without CO2.
So the only reason that I sold my AMS500 is because I am now using the Holley ECU and am beta testing the boost control. This new boost control has as many or more features than the AMS 2000. The one thing that the AMS does do better is that they've managed to come up with some sort of universal algorithm that just works without giving the controller any control guidelines (P.I.D. Control). With the Holley, you have to go thru a setup process to see how your particular regulated source pressure, solenoids and MAP work together.