stock 5.3 vs stock LQ4, which is better for high boost?
#101
Initially I liked the idea of twins a lot. However, the cost is a LOT more, and power is made more efficiently on the single.
Chris, even though I don't own a powerful turbo car, I have been around them, driven them, and are familiar with them and their driving habits. Like I said before, I know I am not going to have traction, and I expect that to an extent. I will for sure end up trying a few different springs with a controller to find what I like.
Lol, I know man. Again, I know my goals are different than most on here. The 1/4 mile it runs is a pure after thought, and what it does it does. Hell, I am content with the lousy 12 second 1/4 mile it runs now with its 118 MPH trap, just for what it is. I just want the power and somewhat reliability for cheap. Like Chris had mentioned, I want a really fun street car that will be taken to the track for fun just a few times a year (not competitively).
The drivetrain will be fine. I already upgraded the M6 this year with all the viper internals and will be beefing up to an aftermarket driveshaft, upgrading the clutch and putting in a very strong rear. I am no stranger to knowing what I need outside of under the hood.
The way the power comes in on a turbo car is alot different than your procharged lt1, your procharged combo has a nice linear power curve cause boost is based on engine speed, the turbo setup will have less power at first but after spool the power and torque jump up giving you alot more average power.
You could put small gate springs in it and use a good boost controller to bring the boost in slower to aid with traction. I had 13-14 lbs springs in mine earlier this year and it was awesome on gate alone. The power came in like a 500hp shot of nitrous at about 4500rpm. Now its got 9 lb springs and a controller I bring it in slower so its easier on the tires
You could put small gate springs in it and use a good boost controller to bring the boost in slower to aid with traction. I had 13-14 lbs springs in mine earlier this year and it was awesome on gate alone. The power came in like a 500hp shot of nitrous at about 4500rpm. Now its got 9 lb springs and a controller I bring it in slower so its easier on the tires
The drivetrain will be fine. I already upgraded the M6 this year with all the viper internals and will be beefing up to an aftermarket driveshaft, upgrading the clutch and putting in a very strong rear. I am no stranger to knowing what I need outside of under the hood.
#102
#103
Depends on the twins you go with for cost. A couple of $699 Borg twins will be about the same as a 7675 single. The only additional costs will be extra wastegate and oil lines. You can still use a single intercooler and packaging will be just as easy or easier than trying to fit a monster single downpipe.
#104
I went against all odds. I have 6.0 with a cheap 76mm turbo! Spool is instant and it's fun to drive on the street. No idea where it will run out of steam as I haven't pulled it past 5k since the tune isn't finished.
Wish I would have went with a 5.3 instead of the 6.0 though. I was caught up in the whole bigger motor is better/cooler thing. I could have had a 5.3 for half the cost I spent on the 6.0, and used the saved money on a much better turbo.
Wish I would have went with a 5.3 instead of the 6.0 though. I was caught up in the whole bigger motor is better/cooler thing. I could have had a 5.3 for half the cost I spent on the 6.0, and used the saved money on a much better turbo.
#105
Funny man. The ls6 cam under boost is sufficient to scatter either a 6.0 or 5.3 bottom end with no need for a CUSTOM cam(See my sig)
I see that you are now selling cams(congrats). Now we have thread after thread to look forward to on why everyone needs a custom cam and why a custom cam will make 125 whp over an off the shelf cam
I see that you are now selling cams(congrats). Now we have thread after thread to look forward to on why everyone needs a custom cam and why a custom cam will make 125 whp over an off the shelf cam
#106
I went against all odds. I have 6.0 with a cheap 76mm turbo! Spool is instant and it's fun to drive on the street. No idea where it will run out of steam as I haven't pulled it past 5k since the tune isn't finished.
Wish I would have went with a 5.3 instead of the 6.0 though. I was caught up in the whole bigger motor is better/cooler thing. I could have had a 5.3 for half the cost I spent on the 6.0, and used the saved money on a much better turbo.
Wish I would have went with a 5.3 instead of the 6.0 though. I was caught up in the whole bigger motor is better/cooler thing. I could have had a 5.3 for half the cost I spent on the 6.0, and used the saved money on a much better turbo.
#107
A turbo that suits my combo will eventually find it's way to my engine bay. I didn't want anything too crazy for my first turbo build.
#108
Funny man. The ls6 cam under boost is sufficient to scatter either a 6.0 or 5.3 bottom end with no need for a CUSTOM cam(See my sig)
I see that you are now selling cams(congrats). Now we have thread after thread to look forward to on why everyone needs a custom cam and why a custom cam will make 125 whp over an off the shelf cam
I see that you are now selling cams(congrats). Now we have thread after thread to look forward to on why everyone needs a custom cam and why a custom cam will make 125 whp over an off the shelf cam
I'll keep selling my cams(off the shelf and custom) and keep having satisfied and happy customers while you keep telling everyone till your blue in the face why you're always right.
#111
I hear ya on the precision. I know tons of folks like em, just not had good experience....like customer paying $500 to have one rebuilt that smoked out of the box from day 1 and after the rebuilt with same set up was magically better! Seemed to me he got a bad unit and they just did not want to cover it.
#112
Forced Inductions has a guy with a 92mm turbine and 88mm compressor. That combination could possibly work on a 5.3 motor. If the s480 ever becomes boring or if I need more then I will be considering an upgrade to a 83 or 88, but I believe it will meet my needs just fine. There are folks knocking on 8.50 with smaller turbos (lighter cars) so we will see. I really have no desire for this particular car to go faster than 8.50 due to the huge increase in safety equipment and cage requirements.
#113
I hear ya on the precision. I know tons of folks like em, just not had good experience....like customer paying $500 to have one rebuilt that smoked out of the box from day 1 and after the rebuilt with same set up was magically better! Seemed to me he got a bad unit and they just did not want to cover it.
#115
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...l#post16845561
500 hp crank on the engine dyno for a cammed 5.3
Iron 5.3 332ci on E85, ARP head/main studs, custom coated diamond pistons, callies rods, stock crank.
Ported L92 heads, LS3 hollow stem intake valves, LY6 inconel exhausts, PRC EHT springs
LS9 headgaskets
239/243 .625/.625 116lsa Comp Cam
Morel link bar lifters, 3/8 pushrods
9.5:1 Compression Ratio
500 hp crank on the engine dyno for a cammed 5.3
Iron 5.3 332ci on E85, ARP head/main studs, custom coated diamond pistons, callies rods, stock crank.
Ported L92 heads, LS3 hollow stem intake valves, LY6 inconel exhausts, PRC EHT springs
LS9 headgaskets
239/243 .625/.625 116lsa Comp Cam
Morel link bar lifters, 3/8 pushrods
9.5:1 Compression Ratio
#116
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...l#post16845561
500 hp crank on the engine dyno for a cammed 5.3
Iron 5.3 332ci on E85, ARP head/main studs, custom coated diamond pistons, callies rods, stock crank.
Ported L92 heads, LS3 hollow stem intake valves, LY6 inconel exhausts, PRC EHT springs
LS9 headgaskets
239/243 .625/.625 116lsa Comp Cam
Morel link bar lifters, 3/8 pushrods
9.5:1 Compression Ratio
500 hp crank on the engine dyno for a cammed 5.3
Iron 5.3 332ci on E85, ARP head/main studs, custom coated diamond pistons, callies rods, stock crank.
Ported L92 heads, LS3 hollow stem intake valves, LY6 inconel exhausts, PRC EHT springs
LS9 headgaskets
239/243 .625/.625 116lsa Comp Cam
Morel link bar lifters, 3/8 pushrods
9.5:1 Compression Ratio
500 hp out of a 5.3 with l92 heads is amazingly cool. awesome. you wont get me to downplay that.
now, pull out your moroso slide rule and help me figure out how much power:
dmizzell was making with his 6.0 when he ran 9.87 at 136.83 at 2700 lbs race weight, with the same l92 heads.
or billyflantos was making with his 6.0 when he ran 9.81 at 134.73 at 2900lbs race weight,
or twinturbo1 is making with his 6.2 and l92 heads when he ran 6.31 at 107.5 in the eighth, at 3050 race weight.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=518809
#118
I do have another 5.3 question; so the 04.5-05+ 5.3's have the stronger LS2 rods, and the L33 motor is lighter as well. This seems to be a good one to look for, but I noticed that they also have the slightly higher CR of 9.9:1 vs the earlier 5.3's that have 9.5:1. Given that the boost will be turned up, would it be wiser to go with the earlier weaker 5.3? Or the newer higher CR 5.3?
I was thinking originally that about a 9:1 or 9.5:1 CR would be about perfect. But perhaps since I will be using an FMIC and E85 the 9.9:1 might be okay? Looking for inputs.
I was thinking originally that about a 9:1 or 9.5:1 CR would be about perfect. But perhaps since I will be using an FMIC and E85 the 9.9:1 might be okay? Looking for inputs.
#119
#120
I ran a 8.8 @ 157 on my 5.3 @3250lbs but if I can get ahold of a 6.0 you bet Im gonna use it and then there will be some back to back tests using the same combo, turbos, intake, cam, everything. I havent pushed a drop of water on the 5.3, well see if the 6.0 will hold as well.
either would be fine. just find a deal on one and throw it in. I thought you already knew about the 05+ engines having the good rods or I would of told you that earlier
I do have another 5.3 question; so the 04.5-05+ 5.3's have the stronger LS2 rods, and the L33 motor is lighter as well. This seems to be a good one to look for, but I noticed that they also have the slightly higher CR of 9.9:1 vs the earlier 5.3's that have 9.5:1. Given that the boost will be turned up, would it be wiser to go with the earlier weaker 5.3? Or the newer higher CR 5.3?
I was thinking originally that about a 9:1 or 9.5:1 CR would be about perfect. But perhaps since I will be using an FMIC and E85 the 9.9:1 might be okay? Looking for inputs.
I was thinking originally that about a 9:1 or 9.5:1 CR would be about perfect. But perhaps since I will be using an FMIC and E85 the 9.9:1 might be okay? Looking for inputs.