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Old 02-11-2013, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Wicked69
This statement kind of confused me. If you drop from a 3.73 gear to a 3.08 or 3.27 wouldn't you need to loosen the convertor some? Not tighten it? I realize you lose the mechanical advantage and this would help with spool but since you are using a power glide and not a TH400 wouldn't tightening the convertor counter act it and kill that advantage to spool?

Again, still learning and trying to see the reasoning of why a tighter convertor with a Power glide. I would have thought it would need to be loosened a little.

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The torque converter is a fluid coupling, the harder the motor pushes on it the more slip you will see. A lower numerical gear in the rear puts a greater load against the engine thus requiring a tighter converter, on the line the lower numerical gear will allow a higher stall speed when on the footbrake since it takes more power to push the tires to the point they will push through the brakes.
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Originally Posted by dville_gt
The torque converter is a fluid coupling, the harder the motor pushes on it the more slip you will see. A lower numerical gear in the rear puts a greater load against the engine thus requiring a tighter converter, on the line the lower numerical gear will allow a higher stall speed when on the footbrake since it takes more power to push the tires to the point they will push through the brakes.
Okay, that makes perfect sense. On my TH400 I raced with 3.90 gears last year and had a hard time building boost. I then put in some 3.42's. I didn't get a chance to race but on the street I was able to easily build boost to 10-12lbs. I have a very tight convertor. A 3400 PTC. Since I have now switched to a power glide will that allow me to even build to a higher stall and more boost or does it not matter of the trans gearing but only the rear gearing?

I was thinking with the 3.42's and the PG I will be able to build plenty of boost even though I have a tight convertor.
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Maybe I missed this, but what tuning system u using, holley?mega squirt?...
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Originally Posted by 91lscoupe
Maybe I missed this, but what tuning system u using, holley?mega squirt?...
factory pcm from an express van (0411)
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Originally Posted by Wicked69
Okay, that makes perfect sense. On my TH400 I raced with 3.90 gears last year and had a hard time building boost. I then put in some 3.42's. I didn't get a chance to race but on the street I was able to easily build boost to 10-12lbs. I have a very tight convertor. A 3400 PTC. Since I have now switched to a power glide will that allow me to even build to a higher stall and more boost or does it not matter of the trans gearing but only the rear gearing?

I was thinking with the 3.42's and the PG I will be able to build plenty of boost even though I have a tight convertor.
everything affects the converter, hp/torque, where and how the engine makes the power, how quickly the power comes in, trans gearing, rear gearing, car weight, etc. i won't act like i know the science, but the guys who build these converters tend to want to know EVERYTHING in order to spec one out correctly.
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Originally Posted by dville_gt
factory pcm from an express van (0411)
Very impressive, i am doin basically the same swap right now, what tuning software u using
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Originally Posted by 91lscoupe
Very impressive, i am doin basically the same swap right now, what tuning software u using
hptuners, using the 3 bar sd o.s. upgrade.
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James,

I forgot to call you last night, I'll try and get with you after work today so we can discuss those shift points you asked about. Or just ask me in here! lol
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Originally Posted by dville_gt
hptuners, using the 3 bar sd o.s. upgrade.
Thanks man, i was contemplating that software.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
James,

I forgot to call you last night, I'll try and get with you after work today so we can discuss those shift points you asked about. Or just ask me in here! lol
I'm just wondering if my 6400rpm shift point is too low, dudeman who's got a fairly similar setup except a much larger turbo (and a bit more duration) said he was shifting at 6800rpm and that it'd pull further then that. i'm just wondering what you think this 230/230 .612/.608 115+2 with stock 317's, stock ls6 mani would realistically want to spin to for the best possible et.

i really think my converter is leaving some on the table at this point as well. if you watch my videos it takes a good bit to get the car lit up. i can send you a datalog and config file if you have time to take a look at it and see if you see anything with the AFR/timing that could be causing it to be such a slouch. i'm thinking it's just a converter that is too tight down low and not tight enough up top.
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I would be shifting it at least around 6700-6800 at least once or twice to try it out and see how it reacts. If it doesn't pick up, take it back down to where you were shifting it.
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the converter gets more efficient as the rpms go up, so if you are short shifting, then yes, you are leaving power on the table.

but then again, you are running 5.60s now. I would just leave everything as is lol.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
I would be shifting it at least around 6700-6800 at least once or twice to try it out and see how it reacts. If it doesn't pick up, take it back down to where you were shifting it.
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the converter gets more efficient as the rpms go up, so if you are short shifting, then yes, you are leaving power on the table.

but then again, you are running 5.60s now. I would just leave everything as is lol.
Humm...I will give it a shout next time out.

I'm going to make a screen filter for the turbo and see if the car picks up at all vs. the 6" filter I have been running from RPS. I have seen some cars pick up a pretty good amount by removing the air filter and since I am having issues keeping the boost up throughout the run my car might just benefit from it. Def. worth the few bucks in aluminum mesh.
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My S480 is mounted similar to yours and I run a 9" filter with a reverse cone and don't think I am losing much. It is mounted down low behind the bumper cover below the headlight and connected with wire-reinforced plastic tube. Would need to cut about a 6" hole in the fenderwell.
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Originally Posted by dville_gt
Boost Leash, similar to the AMS, just half the cost. He's now got a tbrake pulser built into a controller that looks super sick to stage a turbo car.
Do you have a link, or web site for the boost controller?
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I just took my filter off and put some mesh on it today. I agree with you. It has to run better with the mesh then a restrictive filter. At least in theory.
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I got a pulse leash from Randy last month, to go on the Camaro we are building, the screen stopped working the next day, I called Randy up and he sent another one out, no hassle, no dodging, just a new one coming, with a call tag for the other one. Great service.

Here is a link to his site,and the boost controllers.

http://www.leashelectronics.com/Boos...rollers_c3.htm

We have his sportsman board box in the Camaro also, it works great.

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Originally Posted by Wicked69
I just took my filter off and put some mesh on it today. I agree with you. It has to run better with the mesh then a restrictive filter. At least in theory.
that looks a lot more restrivtive than a good filter
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Originally Posted by ls1curt
that looks a lot more restrivtive than a good filter
Truth.

Mesh is bad. That mesh is small. Takes away from surface area. I would not be surprised if you lost performance with that.
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Well it runs faster without anything over my filters. 113mph with filters, 118mph without. Why wouldn't the mesh be closer to without? Is there a different mesh screen? I am worried more about it getting sucked in then being restrictive.


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