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Old 04-13-2013, 10:01 AM
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Does anyone have a set of stock length ls1 ls6 injectors 60-95lb new/used... really need some was trying to use some fast 89lb ls7s but I dont want to change pigtails and use spacers please let me know thanks
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Just get a set of Deka Siemens 80lb injectors. Almost all of the sponsors sell them for ~$450 a set.
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you should check out east coast supercharging. They gave me a great price for their bracket and a paxton 2500 blower and they can do a 10 rib belt upgrade also. You need to use vette accessories though. Specifically the crank pulley and you need the a/c bracket because their tensioner mounts to it. I am using the ac tensioner to low mount my alternator and an electric water pump. No other accessories. you could use a flip drive for the alternator and power steering pump, but again, you need the vette stuff for that. To me it was cheaper and easier to go manual steering and make the alternator bracket. You do need to use a smaller alternator to fit that spot though. I am using a cs130 for a third gen camaro.

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Well sold the silver bullet a while back......been a while since I've been on here working on a current build 99 camaro mini tubbed built 6.0 with a vortech v4racexx but may switch to f2 procharger to have the self contained oil system idea is still in the air
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Just get a set of Deka Siemens 80lb injectors. Almost all of the sponsors sell them for ~$450 a set.
I need to raise my prices! Bob
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Well sold the silver bullet a while back......been a while since I've been on here working on a current build 99 camaro mini tubbed built 6.0 with a vortech v4racexx but may switch to f2 procharger to have the self contained oil system idea is still in the air
Give me a call for a great price on an F-2. Bob
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The cool thing about an f2 is that it will physically bolt into the same brackets as an f1x and down size blower. If you are wanting to make f2 type power, consider going to a custom bracket for the f3 transmissions and run an f1x-12. It has proven very tough and will walk an f2. Just a suggestion........I'm currently running an f2 on my 408 and its what I would like to do.
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The cool thing about an f2 is that it will physically bolt into the same brackets as an f1x and down size blower. If you are wanting to make f2 type power, consider going to a custom bracket for the f3 transmissions and run an f1x-12. It has proven very tough and will walk an f2. Just a suggestion........I'm currently running an f2 on my 408 and its what I would like to do.
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If you have the room, this is a great way to go! Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob@BruteSpeed
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-PC314...314A-12-RD.htm

If you have the room, this is a great way to go! Bob
Stock Bracket will fit with the F1X so I think the OP should do an F1X over the F2. You can not beat Bobs Prices and his Tech support
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Selling or trade my fast 102 for a holley high rise LS that is a 102
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Selling or trade my fast 102 for a holley high rise LS that is a 102
I went to the holley high rise to go along with the F1X
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F1c on a 347, would that be to big?
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Originally Posted by 383camaroz28
F1c on a 347, would that be to big?
have you maxed out the D1 yet
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Originally Posted by scottywheels
have you maxed out the D1 yet
I havent yet but i can get a good deal on a f1c. Thats why idk if its to big for a 347
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Originally Posted by 383camaroz28
I havent yet but i can get a good deal on a f1c. Thats why idk if its to big for a 347
The F1C is a pretty aggressive blower, the motor is fine as long obviously the motor is built to handle the power and a fuel sysem to go along with it.
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Yea everything but studs an arp mains, but i think i might step up to a 370/402 n turbo next year
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Originally Posted by 383camaroz28
I havent yet but i can get a good deal on a f1c. Thats why idk if its to big for a 347
There is a fine line where the added heat from a blower being maxed out will end up making less power, than the next larger size blower that takes more power to turn it will. An F-1A can normally supply a 347 with more boost than the heads can keep down. An F-1C takes more power to turn it than an F-1A, which means you may find you will make more hp with an F-1A with your combination. Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob@BruteSpeed
There is a fine line where the added heat from a blower being maxed out will end up making less power, than the next larger size blower that takes more power to turn it will. An F-1A can normally supply a 347 with more boost than the heads can keep down. An F-1C takes more power to turn it than an F-1A, which means you may find you will make more hp with an F-1A with your combination. Bob
And there you have it!!!!!!!!!! Nice Bob!!!
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Originally Posted by Bob@BruteSpeed
There is a fine line where the added heat from a blower being maxed out will end up making less power, than the next larger size blower that takes more power to turn it will. An F-1A can normally supply a 347 with more boost than the heads can keep down. An F-1C takes more power to turn it than an F-1A, which means you may find you will make more hp with an F-1A with your combination. Bob
Lets say you have an f1a combo spinning at or near max. I'm sure this could be done with good fuel and a good tune up. I see switching to an f1c to match the power would have only advantages. Because the f1c doesn't need to be spun as hard and the fact that your matching power, drive power soaked up by the blower would be a mute point. It would likely be near or maybe even a little less than what the f1a required because the blower would be slowed down. This could aid in belt life and possibly help to avoid slipping issues if running a serp belt. Also, iat's would likely be better in this case as well. Then you also get the advantage of having a more dependable blower cause it doesn't have to be spun as hard.

I have an F2 on my iron 4-bolt 408. Running a 60/58 pulley combo shifting at 7500 rpm (only spinning the blower 65% of max recommended speed) netted 15 psi which is plenty pump gas friendly. It made enough power to go 152 mph at 4100lbs at that boost level. Now I do think the F2 is over kill for 15 psi and if my goal was to only run 152 mph and thats it, it would probably be a little more beneficial to step down to an r blower. Now an a or c blower would have certainly made the power needed to hit this mph, but I likely would have needed to spin the **** out of them.......then dealt with higher iats and less dependability.

Just offering another point of view. I'm certainly not knocking what Bob can contribute to any procharger combo, as he has been the procharger guy for a lot longer than I have. We just have a little bit different opinion on how to achieve the desired result.
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Originally Posted by Blown06
Lets say you have an f1a combo spinning at or near max. I'm sure this could be done with good fuel and a good tune up. I see switching to an f1c to match the power would have only advantages. Because the f1c doesn't need to be spun as hard and the fact that your matching power, drive power soaked up by the blower would be a mute point. It would likely be near or maybe even a little less than what the f1a required because the blower would be slowed down. This could aid in belt life and possibly help to avoid slipping issues if running a serp belt. Also, iat's would likely be better in this case as well. Then you also get the advantage of having a more dependable blower cause it doesn't have to be spun as hard.

I have an F2 on my iron 4-bolt 408. Running a 60/58 pulley combo shifting at 7500 rpm (only spinning the blower 65% of max recommended speed) netted 15 psi which is plenty pump gas friendly. It made enough power to go 152 mph at 4100lbs at that boost level. Now I do think the F2 is over kill for 15 psi and if my goal was to only run 152 mph and thats it, it would probably be a little more beneficial to step down to an r blower. Now an a or c blower would have certainly made the power needed to hit this mph, but I likely would have needed to spin the **** out of them.......then dealt with higher iats and less dependability.

Just offering another point of view. I'm certainly not knocking what Bob can contribute to any procharger combo, as he has been the procharger guy for a lot longer than I have. We just have a little bit different opinion on how to achieve the desired result.

On his 347 I don't see the F-1A being run at max impeller speed on a 4 bolt per cylinder block and head combination. It certainly would be interesting to see what a smaller blower would do on your 408, as an F-2 requires a substantial amount of engine power to drive it. We had both an F-1A and an F-1C on my 408 and didn't see any noticeable differences between either one at 18 to 20 psi. The F-1C had lower inlet air temps but took more power to turn it. Bob
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