My ideal set up
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My ideal set up Whats up ls1tech. I decided I should stop messing around and finally get to work on my ls1 turbo build. I have high ambitions and near unlimited funds, assuming I have lots of time to keep collecting lots of paychecks LOL. Bottom line, I don't care how long this build will take. It's always been a dream of mine to have an insanely quick car.
My Goals. 1000whp through a single turbo ls1. Somewhere around 20-25 psi. 88-91 mm turbo. Forged pistons, rods stock crank. 853, 799 or 315 heads. ls6, ls9 or mti r1 cam (232/236 114 575/578) 918 behive springs. Melling oil pump/ported ls6 pump. ls2 timing chain, tial 50mm wastegate, tail 40mm bov. Ebay intercooler. 4l80e transmission and ford 9 inch rear. Either 17 x 11 zr1's with hoosiers or the stock salad shooters with mickey Thompsons. ls6 intake manifold. arp head/intake/rod bolts. ls9 head gaskets. 3200-3600 stall. 100-130 pound injectors, maybe a few walborro 255's in the tank? not sure about that yet. I currently have a single walborro 255 with the racetronix wiring harness from the alternator.
My inspirations:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...-budget-2.html
What do you all think?
I don't mind going in stages and upgrading things over a period of a few years. Hell I would be happy with 400whp to start out, but I deff. want to end up in the 1,000's with a 7-8 sec car.
I'm just one of those lunatics who wants insane amounts of power for no good reason.
My Goals. 1000whp through a single turbo ls1. Somewhere around 20-25 psi. 88-91 mm turbo. Forged pistons, rods stock crank. 853, 799 or 315 heads. ls6, ls9 or mti r1 cam (232/236 114 575/578) 918 behive springs. Melling oil pump/ported ls6 pump. ls2 timing chain, tial 50mm wastegate, tail 40mm bov. Ebay intercooler. 4l80e transmission and ford 9 inch rear. Either 17 x 11 zr1's with hoosiers or the stock salad shooters with mickey Thompsons. ls6 intake manifold. arp head/intake/rod bolts. ls9 head gaskets. 3200-3600 stall. 100-130 pound injectors, maybe a few walborro 255's in the tank? not sure about that yet. I currently have a single walborro 255 with the racetronix wiring harness from the alternator.
My inspirations:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...-budget-2.html
What do you all think?
I don't mind going in stages and upgrading things over a period of a few years. Hell I would be happy with 400whp to start out, but I deff. want to end up in the 1,000's with a 7-8 sec car.
I'm just one of those lunatics who wants insane amounts of power for no good reason.
Last edited by Robbie Wilson; Feb 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM.
You have good aspirations and with everything set up right that number is obtainable. I do have one question...umm exactly how old are you? Not being rude at all, I am just wondering. Sounds as if you are young...very young. But I am just assuming
You have unlimited funds but want to use stock casting heads? I would think aftermarket castings are a must in your situation. If money is not an issue why not have a reputable shop build you a nice complete package deal? Makes more sense to me.
i was thinking the same thing! but thats ok! the younger the better IMO.
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Whats up ls1tech. I decided I should stop messing around and finally get to work on my ls1 turbo build. I have high ambitions and near unlimited funds, assuming I have lots of time to keep collecting lots of paychecks LOL. Bottom line, I don't care how long this build will take. It's always been a dream of mine to have an insanely quick car.
My Goals. 1000whp through a single turbo ls1. Somewhere around 20-25 psi. 88-91 mm turbo. Forged pistons, rods stock crank. 853, 799 or 315 heads. ls6, ls9 or mti r1 cam (232/236 114 575/578) 918 behive springs. Melling oil pump/ported ls6 pump. ls2 timing chain, tial 50mm wastegate, tail 40mm bov. Ebay intercooler. 4l80e transmission and ford 9 inch rear. Either 17 x 11 zr1's with hoosiers or the stock salad shooters with mickey Thompsons. ls6 intake manifold. arp head/intake/rod bolts. ls9 head gaskets. 3200-3600 stall. 100-130 pound injectors, maybe a few walborro 255's in the tank? not sure about that yet. I currently have a single walborro 255 with the racetronix wiring harness from the alternator.
My inspirations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okexhAh6Znc
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...-budget-2.html
What do you all think?
I don't mind going in stages and upgrading things over a period of a few years. Hell I would be happy with 400whp to start out, but I deff. want to end up in the 1,000's with a 7-8 sec car.
I'm just one of those lunatics who wants insane amounts of power for no good reason.
My Goals. 1000whp through a single turbo ls1. Somewhere around 20-25 psi. 88-91 mm turbo. Forged pistons, rods stock crank. 853, 799 or 315 heads. ls6, ls9 or mti r1 cam (232/236 114 575/578) 918 behive springs. Melling oil pump/ported ls6 pump. ls2 timing chain, tial 50mm wastegate, tail 40mm bov. Ebay intercooler. 4l80e transmission and ford 9 inch rear. Either 17 x 11 zr1's with hoosiers or the stock salad shooters with mickey Thompsons. ls6 intake manifold. arp head/intake/rod bolts. ls9 head gaskets. 3200-3600 stall. 100-130 pound injectors, maybe a few walborro 255's in the tank? not sure about that yet. I currently have a single walborro 255 with the racetronix wiring harness from the alternator.
My inspirations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okexhAh6Znc
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...-budget-2.html
What do you all think?
I don't mind going in stages and upgrading things over a period of a few years. Hell I would be happy with 400whp to start out, but I deff. want to end up in the 1,000's with a 7-8 sec car.
I'm just one of those lunatics who wants insane amounts of power for no good reason.
-wanting to use a single beehive valve spring
-if your going to build a motor, get a decent set of ported heads, even a nice set of ported 317 like from AES and have a cam matched to the flow numbers from the heads, instead of buying off the shelf.
-Id use a larger wastegate
-Id use a larger BOV
-go with a better intercooler
-no to the ls2 timing chain. with that kind of power, double roller only
-Id also use a forged crank for that kind of power also.
Ive started a twin turbo build on an AES 390. and im also looking for 1000rwhp. Do your homework. Do it right the first time.
and 7's is no joke... it better weigh next to nothing or add a few more ponies onto ur goal.
just my .02
good luck
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I agree with everything ^ said. A single TiAL 50 would be fine though. eBay FMIC as well, the work for the price. You could use a single roller, but I wouldn't do anything but the Katech C5R chain. The crank issue is tough, if you have a good tuner you can make it last.
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I think you are looking at automagic's car you are talking alot of money in that car. I think your goals are way unrealistic a 1000 rwhp is not going to be done on cheap everything you are going to have spend the money
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LOL Yes I am very young. 19 actually, but yeah its always been a dream of mine. I have "unlimited funds-- meaning I don't plan on saving any money meaning I have unlimited time to raise the amount of money necessary to meet my goal. I don't really have unlimited funds just theoretically and I really plan on committing to getting it done.
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Thanks for the responses. 1000whp is very ambitious so I won't feel too bad if I land somewhere in the 600-800 hp level for starters. I have been reading lots of threads and getting as much info as I can possible get from this website. I would like the whole thing to be as cost efficient as possible, at least in the beginning. Meaning I would rather put money into forging the bottom end and turning up the boost then into a set of aftermarket heads.
I appreciate the advice, especially from allout06 and thels1lover. patriot dual springs it is then and not sure about the c5r timming chain. I have no idea where I could buy something like that. A few other questions, would ls7 lifters, with stock rockers with the comp upgrade be ok at this power level with a very mild cam? I'm a little unsure on the tiny details of the valve-train.
Also with the heads and intake. I am leaning towards a ported 317 with ls6 or fast 102 intake but I am not sure how the intake manifolds are effected under boost.
The only reason I was considering 853 heads was because I thought they had a lower compression than 243/799 heads. And I figured since I was running boost that the heads aren't really as important as they are on an n/a engine so the flow penalty is more of a speed-bump then a power limiter. I'm really more concerned with building up the bottom end to handle the power.
But I can def. swing about a 1000 for a nice set of heads. Like tsp stage 1 or 1.5 317's. Would a stock ls6 manifold hold me back at these power levels?
AND ONE of my biggest problem is INJECTORS.
I can't seem to find any injectors that can actually idle that are larger than 120lb and I am concerned that with e85 eight of those may not be enough. So would I have to run meth? My options for fuel are either 91 octane or e85. I'm in california and there are about 3 e85 stations within 50 miles of me so I would be in a 10-20 min drive away from the station but you can buy that stuff by the barrel right? like 50 gal at a time? I think it would be hilarious to order my gas online and get big barrels of e85 for my car xD. Imagine the look on my neighbors face lol. I would even be willing to have a tune of like 600-700whp on 91 and a seperate tune for e85/race fuel when I am daring enough to turn it up to max power lol, or just at the track. I want to be able to drive this beast to the track and back, with for me are infineon raceway in sonoma (same place nascar races!) and Sacramento drag strip.
Finally would a moser 9 inch really be good enough to hold this kind of power? And what options should I pick when building the rear end on their site. I hate that one of the most expensive parts on the car (rear end) doesn't add any horsepower but I can't have things break when I mash the gas.
I appreciate the advice, especially from allout06 and thels1lover. patriot dual springs it is then and not sure about the c5r timming chain. I have no idea where I could buy something like that. A few other questions, would ls7 lifters, with stock rockers with the comp upgrade be ok at this power level with a very mild cam? I'm a little unsure on the tiny details of the valve-train.
Also with the heads and intake. I am leaning towards a ported 317 with ls6 or fast 102 intake but I am not sure how the intake manifolds are effected under boost.
The only reason I was considering 853 heads was because I thought they had a lower compression than 243/799 heads. And I figured since I was running boost that the heads aren't really as important as they are on an n/a engine so the flow penalty is more of a speed-bump then a power limiter. I'm really more concerned with building up the bottom end to handle the power.
But I can def. swing about a 1000 for a nice set of heads. Like tsp stage 1 or 1.5 317's. Would a stock ls6 manifold hold me back at these power levels?
AND ONE of my biggest problem is INJECTORS.
I can't seem to find any injectors that can actually idle that are larger than 120lb and I am concerned that with e85 eight of those may not be enough. So would I have to run meth? My options for fuel are either 91 octane or e85. I'm in california and there are about 3 e85 stations within 50 miles of me so I would be in a 10-20 min drive away from the station but you can buy that stuff by the barrel right? like 50 gal at a time? I think it would be hilarious to order my gas online and get big barrels of e85 for my car xD. Imagine the look on my neighbors face lol. I would even be willing to have a tune of like 600-700whp on 91 and a seperate tune for e85/race fuel when I am daring enough to turn it up to max power lol, or just at the track. I want to be able to drive this beast to the track and back, with for me are infineon raceway in sonoma (same place nascar races!) and Sacramento drag strip.
Finally would a moser 9 inch really be good enough to hold this kind of power? And what options should I pick when building the rear end on their site. I hate that one of the most expensive parts on the car (rear end) doesn't add any horsepower but I can't have things break when I mash the gas.
i did a "budget" setup with my twin build, and ive calculated that ill have about $20k in it when im done.. I already have a 9" and suspension so, with out that add another $5500 or so...
engine
tranny
clutch
fuel
tune
meth
custom twin kit
kmember
misc **** like painting the bay, re-wiring ****, re-doing guages...etc..
im leaving out a lot of stuff, but im not gonna bore you with my list of plans, just giving ya an idea whats involved to make that kind of power. theres more than 1 way to skin a chicken, but some ways are better than others...
engine
tranny
clutch
fuel
tune
meth
custom twin kit
kmember
misc **** like painting the bay, re-wiring ****, re-doing guages...etc..
im leaving out a lot of stuff, but im not gonna bore you with my list of plans, just giving ya an idea whats involved to make that kind of power. theres more than 1 way to skin a chicken, but some ways are better than others...
Thanks for the responses. 1000whp is very ambitious so I won't feel too bad if I land somewhere in the 600-800 hp level for starters. I have been reading lots of threads and getting as much info as I can possible get from this website. I would like the whole thing to be as cost efficient as possible, at least in the beginning. Meaning I would rather put money into forging the bottom end and turning up the boost then into a set of aftermarket heads.
I appreciate the advice, especially from allout06 and thels1lover. patriot dual springs it is then and not sure about the c5r timming chain. I have no idea where I could buy something like that. A few other questions, would ls7 lifters, with stock rockers with the comp upgrade be ok at this power level with a very mild cam? I'm a little unsure on the tiny details of the valve-train.
Ls7 lifters are fine, and there are plenty of guys running stock rockers with the TRUNION upgrade making 1000hp all day long. others will say go with a roller tip, but its tried and true that stockers work well. i plan on using this same setup with my engine.
Also with the heads and intake. I am leaning towards a ported 317 with ls6 or fast 102 intake but I am not sure how the intake manifolds are effected under boost.
The only reason I was considering 853 heads was because I thought they had a lower compression than 243/799 heads. And I figured since I was running boost that the heads aren't really as important as they are on an n/a engine so the flow penalty is more of a speed-bump then a power limiter. I'm really more concerned with building up the bottom end to handle the power.
But I can def. swing about a 1000 for a nice set of heads. Like tsp stage 1 or 1.5 317's. Would a stock ls6 manifold hold me back at these power levels?
again, lots of guys making big power with the LS6, if your gonna pinch you pennies, pinch them with the intake/tb setup. stock throttle body and ls6 intake will be fine for you power goals. AES has a great deal on 317's. stainless valves, ported, dual springs etc, $1000. call em up, ask for brian and tell them Josh francis told ya to call
AND ONE of my biggest problem is INJECTORS.
I can't seem to find any injectors that can actually idle that are larger than 120lb and I am concerned that with e85 eight of those may not be enough. So would I have to run meth? My options for fuel are either 91 octane or e85. I'm in california and there are about 3 e85 stations within 50 miles of me so I would be in a 10-20 min drive away from the station but you can buy that stuff by the barrel right? like 50 gal at a time? I think it would be hilarious to order my gas online and get big barrels of e85 for my car xD. Imagine the look on my neighbors face lol. I would even be willing to have a tune of like 600-700whp on 91 and a seperate tune for e85/race fuel when I am daring enough to turn it up to max power lol, or just at the track. I want to be able to drive this beast to the track and back, with for me are infineon raceway in sonoma (same place nascar races!) and Sacramento drag strip.
look up "I8URFRD"'s build. hes shooting for 900+ on an F1A combo and....u guessed it, AES 390. He went with the FIC 2000cc injectors, cuz hes wanting to do this same setup with E85. they are right around $1000 for those injectors if i recall correctly. Im doing 93oct/methanol since E85 is scarce here. Ill be doing the Bosch 127lb injectors for $897 at FIC.
Finally would a moser 9 inch really be good enough to hold this kind of power? And what options should I pick when building the rear end on their site. I hate that one of the most expensive parts on the car (rear end) doesn't add any horsepower but I can't have things break when I mash the gas.
I appreciate the advice, especially from allout06 and thels1lover. patriot dual springs it is then and not sure about the c5r timming chain. I have no idea where I could buy something like that. A few other questions, would ls7 lifters, with stock rockers with the comp upgrade be ok at this power level with a very mild cam? I'm a little unsure on the tiny details of the valve-train.
Ls7 lifters are fine, and there are plenty of guys running stock rockers with the TRUNION upgrade making 1000hp all day long. others will say go with a roller tip, but its tried and true that stockers work well. i plan on using this same setup with my engine.
Also with the heads and intake. I am leaning towards a ported 317 with ls6 or fast 102 intake but I am not sure how the intake manifolds are effected under boost.
The only reason I was considering 853 heads was because I thought they had a lower compression than 243/799 heads. And I figured since I was running boost that the heads aren't really as important as they are on an n/a engine so the flow penalty is more of a speed-bump then a power limiter. I'm really more concerned with building up the bottom end to handle the power.
But I can def. swing about a 1000 for a nice set of heads. Like tsp stage 1 or 1.5 317's. Would a stock ls6 manifold hold me back at these power levels?
again, lots of guys making big power with the LS6, if your gonna pinch you pennies, pinch them with the intake/tb setup. stock throttle body and ls6 intake will be fine for you power goals. AES has a great deal on 317's. stainless valves, ported, dual springs etc, $1000. call em up, ask for brian and tell them Josh francis told ya to call
AND ONE of my biggest problem is INJECTORS.
I can't seem to find any injectors that can actually idle that are larger than 120lb and I am concerned that with e85 eight of those may not be enough. So would I have to run meth? My options for fuel are either 91 octane or e85. I'm in california and there are about 3 e85 stations within 50 miles of me so I would be in a 10-20 min drive away from the station but you can buy that stuff by the barrel right? like 50 gal at a time? I think it would be hilarious to order my gas online and get big barrels of e85 for my car xD. Imagine the look on my neighbors face lol. I would even be willing to have a tune of like 600-700whp on 91 and a seperate tune for e85/race fuel when I am daring enough to turn it up to max power lol, or just at the track. I want to be able to drive this beast to the track and back, with for me are infineon raceway in sonoma (same place nascar races!) and Sacramento drag strip.
look up "I8URFRD"'s build. hes shooting for 900+ on an F1A combo and....u guessed it, AES 390. He went with the FIC 2000cc injectors, cuz hes wanting to do this same setup with E85. they are right around $1000 for those injectors if i recall correctly. Im doing 93oct/methanol since E85 is scarce here. Ill be doing the Bosch 127lb injectors for $897 at FIC.
Finally would a moser 9 inch really be good enough to hold this kind of power? And what options should I pick when building the rear end on their site. I hate that one of the most expensive parts on the car (rear end) doesn't add any horsepower but I can't have things break when I mash the gas.
hope this helps