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Old Feb 12, 2013 | 08:45 PM
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looking at building an iron block 408 using a F1A with around 18lbs of boost or so. I would like to make 850+rwhp. It will be going in a 99 camaro. I don't mind notching the cowl, but don't want to lose the wipers yet.
The question is what heads to use? Seems like the afr 225's are a tried and true head, and I can use a vic jr intake and only notch the cowl a little. Or would a ls7 style head make more power? and what intake could I use that won't require losing the cowl?
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 08:50 AM
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TFS 235 and a proflo or holley hiram intake will make more power than about anything else
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 10:42 AM
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You can run a carb style intake with a low profile elbow it'll fit under a stock hood no problem.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 11:02 AM
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elbow, have fun trying to tune that in decent. Elbows on single plane intakes are garbage, horrible cyl to cyl airflow dynamics.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 11:39 AM
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I've got a 370 with a F1A. I think I'm about to pull the trigger on TEAs TFS235s for mine. What kind of fuel do you plan on running?
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 11:46 AM
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elbow, have fun trying to tune that in decent. Elbows on single plane intakes are garbage, horrible cyl to cyl airflow dynamics.
In hp levels over 1000, but under that they do fine. Sounds like you passing on info you heard from others. They tune in fine and there are many of theses out there running nicely.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 01:01 PM
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all good info above. good compression and good fuel. turn it up. itll do what you want it too. good luck.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 05:35 PM
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just run an ls6 intake, theres almost no benefit to spending all that extra cash on an intake at the power level your going to run. no cowl cutting either
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thanks for the info guys. I am planning on using pump gas with a meth kit. I also looked at the TEA TFS235's. That might be a good choice. I already have a cowl hood, so not worried about clearance. I can't see how the ls6 could be as good as a carb style or hi ram, but maybe it is. The holley hi ram would be great, but do you lose the wipers with that one?
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Alot of high hp guys use the ls6. Mightymouse for one used it on his car, I plan on sticking with my ls6.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 09:51 PM
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In hp levels over 1000, but under that they do fine. Sounds like you passing on info you heard from others. They tune in fine and there are many of theses out there running nicely.
that is so far from accurate or true its not even funny. On cars with 6-700hp the cyl to cyl EGT spread is already HUGE, ive witnessed it with my own one good eye. And running nicely to you and running with 2 cyl on the edge of knock while the other 6 are far from it is not "running nicely" to me. Sounds like you are passing on bullshit you heard from others while you have no clue.
If you are running a single plane with boost, 4bbl TB and a EV hat is the only way to go, but I would still opt for the tunnel ram
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 10:55 PM
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In hp levels over 1000, but under that they do fine. Sounds like you passing on info you heard from others. They tune in fine and there are many of theses out there running nicely.
I have heard that alot of the issues people have had with those setups was solved rather easily with a spacer, and some simple tweaking. The ls6 is great, but there is horsepower to be made with other intakes no doubt. I know Afasty is using an ls6 and making well into the 700's. Some people are making even more. It is one of the few factory pieces that was over engineered it seems. haha.

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Alot of high hp guys use the ls6. Mightymouse for one used it on his car, I plan on sticking with my ls6.
put the money elsewhere, you can always sell it and swap it later for fun and see what it picks up for reference.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:14 PM
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If I had an ls6, I would prolly try it first and see. But since I would need to buy one, I'd rather buy the best one for the combo. Anyone using the holley hi-ram? How is it? likes, dislikes?
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 08:14 PM
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that is so far from accurate or true its not even funny. On cars with 6-700hp the cyl to cyl EGT spread is already HUGE, ive witnessed it with my own one good eye. And running nicely to you and running with 2 cyl on the edge of knock while the other 6 are far from it is not "running nicely" to me. Sounds like you are passing on bullshit you heard from others while you have no clue.
If you are running a single plane with boost, 4bbl TB and a EV hat is the only way to go, but I would still opt for the tunnel ram
Maybe you were reading or typing with your one good eye, lol. I know a little more than you might think. With methanol and the right plug its safe. If you are running on the ragged edge of knock then yes its not safe. If timing is backed off to a safe limit, then yes it runs NICELY. Show some proof of the egt spread on a car with conservative timing and methanol. I under stand they can vary but keep timing at a safe limit and spray some methanol on it and its not a problem. There are a lot of big powered cars running this setup and still alive. I do understand what you are saying and yes its true, but in the lower hp cars its not a critical. One last thing, does it suck to be angry all the time?
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Ok predict this a 408 I am thinking a f1-c or r but to start I will use a professional 85 intake and tb what will happen with this intake? Brute speed cam.
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Old Feb 15, 2013 | 01:40 AM
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Id just go with a ls6 intake or if you want to make alittle more power on a little less boost go with a fast 102. I made over 800 on a slock ls6 and stcok 78mm TB. Theres no need to get all crazy and buy some baller *** intake setup when you not tryi g to make big dog power
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just run an ls6 intake, theres almost no benefit to spending all that extra cash on an intake at the power level your going to run. no cowl cutting either
I agree, you can run into the 8's in the 1/4 with an LS6 intake. I have seen some of the older LS6 intakes start to crack though under boost, so you would be better off with a newer one. A FAST 92 or 102 will also do the job. Bob
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