Intercooler swap gains 168rwhp
09-11-2013, 10:20 AM
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Because of how high the end caps are. The overall height of the intercooler is like 12.5 inches. However when I was talking to the guy at Bell I was going with a 28x12x6 crossflow intercooler and he convinced me to go with the vertical. He said it will have better flow and equal cooling ability because the air has more than double the passages to travel through. I had a monster picked out but he said this one would actually be better
09-11-2013, 10:30 AM
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Considering the 1300 BHP at approx. 28 psig (Air-Flow of 1,50 CFM), respectively, avoiding an excessive Pressure-Loss, it is necessary to change the Intercooler-Design from a “Cross-Flow” to a “Vertical-Flow”
- the recommended Core-Size is a= 4.5”, B= 28.0”, C= 6.0”
- that requires one of the 4” Ducts to be on top and one on the bottom
- considering that the max. Height is 12.1”, allowing the End-Tank to be 3” tall, the Ducts have to have an oval intersection between the Duct and the End-Tank, transitioning to a round Cross-Section
- to achieve an optimum Air-Flow-Distribution through the Core, the Inlet-Side End-Tank will be equipped with an Air-Guide
This was part of our convo
- the recommended Core-Size is a= 4.5”, B= 28.0”, C= 6.0”
- that requires one of the 4” Ducts to be on top and one on the bottom
- considering that the max. Height is 12.1”, allowing the End-Tank to be 3” tall, the Ducts have to have an oval intersection between the Duct and the End-Tank, transitioning to a round Cross-Section
- to achieve an optimum Air-Flow-Distribution through the Core, the Inlet-Side End-Tank will be equipped with an Air-Guide
This was part of our convo
10-09-2013, 07:49 AM
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Just an update, ran 8.3 at 170.7mph in my mustang last weekend with the treadstone 6" intercooler in it still. 212 degree iats at the end of the run with it being 80+ degrees outside and heat soaking in the lanes before the run.
I might try some garret cores($$$$) and build our own intercooler for next year to see if we can go faster with the car, but I still think for most the treadstone is fine unless you want every last bit of power.
I might try some garret cores($$$$) and build our own intercooler for next year to see if we can go faster with the car, but I still think for most the treadstone is fine unless you want every last bit of power.
10-09-2013, 08:16 AM
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Just an update, ran 8.3 at 170.7mph in my mustang last weekend with the treadstone 6" intercooler in it still. 212 degree iats at the end of the run with it being 80+ degrees outside and heat soaking in the lanes before the run.
I might try some garret cores($$$$) and build our own intercooler for next year to see if we can go faster with the car, but I still think for most the treadstone is fine unless you want every last bit of power.
I might try some garret cores($$$$) and build our own intercooler for next year to see if we can go faster with the car, but I still think for most the treadstone is fine unless you want every last bit of power.
12-26-2015, 10:21 AM
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Intercooler Thought I'd add to this, had this exact same precision intercooler and it sucked car would not make any power. Switched to a treadstone and was significantly better but still had around a 6-7 psi drop. ( "1200" hp treadstone intercooler )
Switched to the new procharger c6 intercooler and picked up 50 rwhp and 100 ft lbs at the wheels and more impressive is respons and power across the curve over the treadstone.
Switched to the new procharger c6 intercooler and picked up 50 rwhp and 100 ft lbs at the wheels and more impressive is respons and power across the curve over the treadstone.
12-27-2015, 10:58 AM
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I feel an aspect worth noting to those not familiar with core flow vs pressure drop vs efficiency is to understand the differences in surface area, charge & ambient, between a horizontal vs vertical IC.
If you want lots of flow in a thinner IC, generally go vertical flow. If you can get enough charge-side surface are to not be a restriction, then go horizontal. At the same time, not all bar/plate IC's are the same.
I used Spearco cores for years, before they were bought out, but have ran the cheapy's as well.
If you want lots of flow in a thinner IC, generally go vertical flow. If you can get enough charge-side surface are to not be a restriction, then go horizontal. At the same time, not all bar/plate IC's are the same.
I used Spearco cores for years, before they were bought out, but have ran the cheapy's as well.
12-27-2015, 01:50 PM
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This is interesting as I think I'm pushing at the flow limit of my godspeed/cx racing/ebay intercooler that is 12x20x4 core... it's only rated at 800cfm, and with the f1a, I know it's trying to push more.
I'm considering picking up the treadstone 12x22.5x4.5 core unit to see if it picks up some boost. That supposedly is good to 1400cfm.
I'm considering picking up the treadstone 12x22.5x4.5 core unit to see if it picks up some boost. That supposedly is good to 1400cfm.
12-27-2015, 02:03 PM
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This is interesting as I think I'm pushing at the flow limit of my godspeed/cx racing/ebay intercooler that is 12x20x4 core... it's only rated at 800cfm, and with the f1a, I know it's trying to push more.
I'm considering picking up the treadstone 12x22.5x4.5 core unit to see if it picks up some boost. That supposedly is good to 1400cfm.
I'm considering picking up the treadstone 12x22.5x4.5 core unit to see if it picks up some boost. That supposedly is good to 1400cfm.
12-27-2015, 05:37 PM
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Well, a new treadstone intercooler is $400 to my door.
To measure the pressure before would mean I have to put in a map sensor before the intercooler, and figure out how to wire it up, then data log it with hp tuners.... easier to buy a new intercooler lol.
To measure the pressure before would mean I have to put in a map sensor before the intercooler, and figure out how to wire it up, then data log it with hp tuners.... easier to buy a new intercooler lol.
12-27-2015, 05:42 PM
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$30 max.
Simple works too lol
Obviously pressure drop is one aspect...cooling ability is the other.
Years ago I had a DIY intercooler made up from 2 old cores I'd been using for nearly 17 years in a couple of cars. I measured and there was negligible pressure drop, but I knew it didnt cool well.
Got a new large single core, again no difference in terms of pressure drop, but it did cool a lot better.
12-27-2015, 06:23 PM
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TBH if I was making a new unit, I'd be going for Garrett cores.
Everyone seems to rant about how fantastic they are. Would seem pointless using anything else really.
Everyone seems to rant about how fantastic they are. Would seem pointless using anything else really.
12-27-2015, 06:48 PM
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