lol @ ryan!

 

I think it was a bit lame of folks who were trapping like 20 mph less than Z8's to overly critique his setup. I made that point about his trap speeds to give some folks a graceful way out of the thread. At his raceweigth of 3420 last year he was probably around 900rwhp. Again he was going 154-159mph last year @ 3420. And that is with an A3.

 

I believe Harlan has mentioned using up 16lbs of ice per pull with his current setup. Don't know how hot or cold it was at the end of a run though but, it kept the IAT's in check very well.

 

You didnt answer my question.

And because Im not financially as well off as Mr Sikora, doesnt mean I cant criticise, question or dismiss anything about his car, or yours. It doesnt make me dumb that I dont have a car that goes that fast.

 

I have to agree w/ Guido on this one. Are you trying to say that just because people aren't running as fast they aren't as knowledgable? That is rediculous. I know a guy running 140+ trap speeds who knows absolutely freaking nothing. He just kept throwing money at parts until it went right...

 

Besides John, how can you spout off about knowing anything? All youve ever done is dropped your car off and wrote a check. At least Ive built my own **** and to this day people still email me asking for tech help on stuff. So dont question me about asking people. Ive paid my dues. I just got sick of not having any money. I dont have a high paying job that I can afford to maitain a car like I was trying to build.

I dont appreciate the disrespect.

Go bark at someone else.

 

I made my point already, nuff said.

 

Yup, that's just like saying that people who never served in the Military cannot criticise John Kerry for being a jackass and throwing his medals away when he came home.

Fact is Guido knows a thing or two about forced induction setups and going fast...just because the current car is not as fast in a relative sense doesn't have jack squat to do with it.

 

That you can write a check faster than everyone else? Lame attempt....

John, we've known each other for how long? We've all got faster....But the differenace between some of us one got our hands dirty in the process....

 

lol @ curt. you tell em man! John/Chris, what exactly was your setup (a/w)? Maybe we should just start a thread concerning Air/Water coolers' efficiencies. I think that's what we are all talking about at this point.

While we are talking about intercoolers...check this one out...

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...&postid=154751

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...&postid=154757

 

We're going all wrong here.

Chris' setup is a DATAPOINT for air/water. A fast one. He changed the ice for every pass for two years. He logged every pass.

When we dynoed my a/a at Speed Inc. all folks were very taken aback at little the increase was in IAT's during a full pull. They were that good. I expected much much worse. Thanks for the props.

 

So what kind of cores was Chris using? I remember seeing a picture of it, and it looked like one of those old ATI 3 core sheet metal units with sheets welded over it to convert it to a liquid/air. I mean, I could be missing it, but I was driving at something. If they were air/air cores modified to be used as liquid/air, it could have been a source of inefficiency. I could be wrong too. Im just probing since I dont know all the specifics.

 

Do you have a post that came from? Thats interesting and I wouldnt mind reading more on it.

 

3 a/w Spearco 208's I believe.

I think that's the size/kind of tank (big one in that link of Ryans) you need to run to make biiiig power.

 

If your boiling your water in the quarter your A/W setup is broken. Boost has a massive bearing on the intercooler setup. A 700hp car running 20lb of boost will have hotter air before the intercooler than a 700hp car running 10lb of boost.

 

heh...I was still reading it myself...

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...threadid=15168

Check out this big honker:

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...&postid=160311

 

Wow that looks amazing!

 

Here it is in the car:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...threadid=16691

Search for Brent (owner) and SWTRacing(sp?) (builder). YOu'll find tons for threads.

 

To much dyno referencing John. Let's see your IAT's on a 85-90' day at the strip when the blower and all the piping have become heat soaked.
I'll bet your IAT's rise more than 20' by the end of a pass.

The hotter it gets outside the less effective the air to air unit is. Heat exchangers work on a temp differential. And the less that differential the less effective they become.
Water temp can be controlled and with ice could begin the run with a core temp 50'-60' lower than a air to air unit on hot days.

For serious FI drag racing, water/air is the way to go and is used by most top level FI cars.
Now for anything but the strip, then air to air has a lot of pros going for it.

 

How about 20-21 psi and 1000 hp.