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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 08:41 PM
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Posting for a buddy of mine..

On a buddies GTO. FIC 2000's, E85, external pump, 100micron pre-filter, 10 micron post filter. 940rwhp. 3rd set of FIC2000's in a year due to E85 gumming these up. Any of you having this issue with these particular injectors? 3k miles on this set, base fuel pressure is 58psi, 1:1 regulated up to 73psi. He gets about 3-4k miles out of each set then they stop spraying fuel.

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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 08:44 PM
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The bottom 2 are the failed injectors. They are dry after immediatly starting the car and shutting it off. 2/8 are like this causing one bank to go lean.
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 09:09 PM
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I haven't heard of these issues but would be interested to hear from other folks running them. I have a set of fic2000's that I'm putting in this winter.
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 09:12 PM
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Maybe its the fuel in your area?

GTO I work on with the same stuff is doing fine for two years.
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 09:23 PM
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Thats a very good possibility nova. Is there a way you can test E85s cleanliness? Or figure out what causes it to do this
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 09:25 PM
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all the bosch 2000's are this way, they are a natural gas injector

prone to issues like this
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 09:27 PM
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tell your buddy I have some bosch 160's ill sell him that wont do that ****
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Old Oct 10, 2013 | 07:23 AM
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If you keep the clean they are ok, but if not they will have this issue. We have a local flow bench so I can watch him clean them and flow them, the ID2000's will do the same thing. I switched to the siemen deka 220lb injector because of this issue, no issues with the 220's, they are a factory made injector, not a modified one like the FIC or ID's. The siemens are low imp though, but that doesn't affect me as I'm running a holley efi.
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My siemens 80lb'rs have been in the car for 2 years with E85 and i haven't had any issues. Im switching to 160's soon and haven't seen or heard of anyone having this issue with them either.

Check the filters, if they are dirty then you can start looking at the fuel as the cause.
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One big reason ID worked with Bosch to bring the id13000, those are a nice injector

The Bosch 1000s everyone sells dont have the issues the big High Imp. Natural gas 1600/2000 injectors do with corrosion/sticking

just search stuck id2000/fic2000 on google once, it will blow up
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Old Oct 10, 2013 | 09:51 AM
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What about the Bosch 160 high imp injectors? Same issues?
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What 1600?

If they are the high Z Bosch 827 core I would much more worried about the temp sensitivity
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The ones from boschdealer.com
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Originally Posted by T76s10
tell your buddy I have some bosch 160's ill sell him that wont do that ****
pm me details
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Originally Posted by Sarg
The ones from boschdealer.com
No, those are the 827. Look at the part #, last 3

Stay away.

Those are the same injector ID sold that had the fuel temp sensitivity and where recalled. They start loosing flow at increased temperature

It is sad how many sell that injector knowing the issues it has


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Old Oct 10, 2013 | 11:41 AM
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Awesome. Already have them and installed....how bad do they choke up? Only thing I found previously about them was difficulty tuning idle.
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Old Oct 10, 2013 | 11:42 AM
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These are from my car. I called Jon and he's going to take care of me. Great guy. But I'm done with these CNG injectors so I'll put them up for sale as soon as the new set gets to me.
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I was told any of those 1600/160lb, 2000cc modified tall cng injectors and e85 is no good. one dealer told me he'd sell them to me but with no warranty. That's how many issues there are with them. Another said to clean them out anytime they would sit for a period of time. for that kind of money, no thanks. STAY AWAY!
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So what other options are there for 160lb+ high z injectors?
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Old Oct 10, 2013 | 12:26 PM
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I know of the High-Z Bosch 127lb @ 4 bar. It's a real fluid injector. I can get away with this on e85 and under 1000whp but I have plans to step up to an F1-X blower sometime which is why I went with the 2000's to begin with. Also I have some tweaks to make that will get me above my current 940 to maybe 975 tops.

Does anyone know of a real High-Z NON CNG 160lb injector?
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