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Old 08-01-2014, 01:27 AM
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Posted this in the tuning section also buy figured this section would be good also.
Could you guys look over this tune and let me know what you think?
First time tuning and i'm a little hesitant with the timing and boost with the higher compression from these heads.
Any feedback or tips would be awesome!!

Car is a 98 Camaro Running a 2 bar SD tune
Stock ls1 with rod bolts
Stage 2 Patriot heads
224/563 cam
ls6 intake with 60 lb deka
Single racetronix pump with hotwire kit
Front mount truck manifold kit
On3 76
Running 91 with a Progressive methanol kit on a size 7 nozzle
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Looks pretty good. My suggestion is take the car to the track and see what it likes AFR and timing wise. Are you running 100% meth? Looks a little fat in boost and could use some timing in the lower boost area up to 5-6psi. Most run NA timing up to 5-6PSI.
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I robbed this screen shot from another member here, this illustrates how higher timing has been utilized in lower boost regions. Just remember timing kills.
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Thanks for taking a look at this, i'm new to this and trying to learn as much as i can.

I'm running 50/50 meth with it set to come on at 2-3 psi and full on at 10-12 psi which it probably won't ever see.
The timing is the scariest thing for me, i'm not sure how to go about properly scaling the table or if there's a Histogram for that type of thing. I've heard things like you should take out 1 degree for every 2 psi or 1-1 but that seems like it would be too high seen as the N/A tune had 29-31 degrees where i'm only seeing 13 degrees, And i'm only seeing about 8 psi. I'd rather be safe and leave a little on the table.
I'm currently trying to lean out the AFR's a little, i've got the PE table set to 11.3 but it never gets that lean, i'm assuming the meth is the reason for this. I think i've got the VE table pretty good as it cruises pretty well but it gets a little tough trying to dial that in because it seems the car gets lean after it gets hot then screws up all the readings. I extended my IAT sensor and moved it down by the fuse box area and it seemed to help but i still get that sometimes. It does seem to help to get on it enough for the meth to activate and then the AFR's come back in line.

Also does all the injector data look correct? They are siemens deka 60lb.
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Injector data looks to be spot on for SD60.
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I would tune the 'VE table without the meth first.
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Originally Posted by Monte4ever
I would tune the 'VE table without the meth first.
Does the VE table affect WOT? I've been using the PE for WOT, i've mainly been using VE for driveability and cruise AFR's, i've been tuning the VE without the meth. Only time i was using meth was when i was getting after it pretty hard.
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Originally Posted by viper6549
Injector data looks to be spot on for SD60.
Awesome thanks!!
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Originally Posted by StangTamer
Does the VE table affect WOT? I've been using the PE for WOT, i've mainly been using VE for driveability and cruise AFR's, i've been tuning the VE without the meth. Only time i was using meth was when i was getting after it pretty hard.
I set my PE for desired AFR and then tune my VE to match said afr.
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I'll have to spend a little more time on that then, thanks.

Anyone have any advice or thoughts on my timing table?
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Originally Posted by Monte4ever
I would tune the 'VE table without the meth first.
Why would you do this? If you are going to run the meth then you might aswell take advantage of the octane increase. If not then run water.
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Originally Posted by StangTamer
Stage 2 Patriot heads
224/563 cam
ls6 intake
Why so much exhaust duration? I mean, got dayum! lol
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Originally Posted by 93camaro_zzz
Why so much exhaust duration? I mean, got dayum! lol
Just the little guy that was in it already, had a budget a was trying to stick to. I know its not the ideal cam for my setup but i didn't want to spend the money on the one Martin spec'd out for me
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I think 224 is duration and 563 is lift, he just left one number out!!!!
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Originally Posted by sparkwirez06
I think 224 is duration and 563 is lift, he just left one number out!!!!
Lol, what this guy said! I thought he was giving me a hard time for how small the cam was. Its the same spec on both duration and lift,

So anyone have any opinions or advice on where to go with my timing table?
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with a 563 duration the exhaust would be open for 1.53 turns = 0 compression!!
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Originally Posted by StangTamer
Lol, what this guy said! I thought he was giving me a hard time for how small the cam was. Its the same spec on both duration and lift,

So anyone have any opinions or advice on where to go with my timing table?
Log a couple of pulls from a dig till max boost/MPH you will be running. Then we can look over which cells timing needs to be added. Now with that said, I would pay Frost for a mail order tune and send him some logs and let him adjust the tune.

If you still want help post up some logs and we can discuss.
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im running to much timing from what Im seeing! Im at 18 but a lot of meth!
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Originally Posted by sparkwirez06
with a 563 duration the exhaust would be open for 1.53 turns = 0 compression!!
Haha!

Sorry for bombing your thread, I couldn't help myself. lol
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Originally Posted by MUSTANGBRKR02
Why would you do this? If you are going to run the meth then you might aswell take advantage of the octane increase. If not then run water.
I like to know what my car likes without the meth first and save the tune for when I dont have the meth on or run out of it. I never said to not take advantage of the octane increase. When I tune with the meth on (50/50 mix) I shoot for a .5 to .75 drop in AFR readings. I will then lean the tune back out to where my "non meth" AFR was or leaner to say 11.6-7 or so.

I'm also new to tuning but from what I've read this seems to be a good way to go.

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