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Old 09-05-2014, 07:13 PM
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I'm going to run 317 heads on my 347 and was wondering if anyone was having an issue running 20-23lbs of boost with stock valves.
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I am using a stock LS3 hollow stem intake valve and stainless exhaust valves in my engine.

No issues so far, but it has only made dyno pulls currently.
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I haven't read about anyone replacing them but my builder thinks that it might be a good idea
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Stainless exhaust valve is a good idea with higher power boosted engines. Inconel exhaust valves as power levels and heat rise higher may be needed even.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Stainless exhaust valve is a good idea with higher power boosted engines. Inconel exhaust valves as power levels and heat rise higher may be needed even.
Think it's needed with 23psi? Hoping for 800-900rwhp through a 4l80e
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I think it's a good practice on a higher HP car. I know there are a lot of guys out there running completely stock cylinder heads like 317's with stock valves, but I did it on my engine for the peace of mind.
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I have had a stock valve and last weekend a stainless vavle go away.. I race a lot more than most but I am going to Inconel this time.. I could do ti but no one has said weather they handle heat better or not..
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I've run 25+ lbs on 5.3's and 4.8's with no issues. 706 heads, 317 heads, 243 heads. (running E85, water inj, and an A2A IC as well) Pretty cheap "upgrade" though. If you have a nice motor I'd go with stainless. If your running a JY SBE motor I wouldn't worry about it.
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Originally Posted by dezlfrek
I have had a stock valve and last weekend a stainless vavle go away.. I race a lot more than most but I am going to Inconel this time.. I could do ti but no one has said weather they handle heat better or not..
Inconel handles heat much better than Ti. I believe it is also recommend by most cylinder head engineers that a copper beryllium seat is needed for exhaust valve duties if Ti is utilized. That can get expensive...
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I've run 25+ lbs on 5.3's and 4.8's with no issues. 706 heads, 317 heads, 243 heads. (running E85, water inj, and an A2A IC as well) Pretty cheap "upgrade" though. If you have a nice motor I'd go with stainless. If your running a JY SBE motor I wouldn't worry about it.
I agree with this statement 100%.

If you're going to slap a 200 dollar motor in your engine bay, don't worry about it. If you're building a nice 8-10k+ motor, upgrade the exhaust valves to stainless.
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It's an ls1 with forged rods and pistons but I don't really want to put the money into 317 heads. I'd much rather save it and put it into a set of aftermarket heads down the road.
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Up to you… you know the risks now. Personally I’d just run a “safe” low timing/rich tune until I could afford the new heads. I've seen very few dropped valves on turbo motors that weren't pushing the limits.
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
Up to you… you know the risks now. Personally I’d just run a “safe” low timing/rich tune until I could afford the new heads. I've seen very few dropped valves on turbo motors that weren't pushing the limits.
I guess that this was the kind of response that I was looking for. Thanks. I asked because I haven't read about people replacing the valves or having issues with them
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
Up to you… you know the risks now. Personally I’d just run a “safe” low timing/rich tune until I could afford the new heads. I've seen very few dropped valves on turbo motors that weren't pushing the limits.
Same here. I've yet to see one under 800-900rwhp.

That's obviously not to say that it cannot happen though!

Good advice in here.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Same here. I've yet to see one under 800-900rwhp.

That's obviously not to say that it cannot happen though!

Good advice in here.
That's right around the range that I'm hoping to be in. Thanks guys!
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From stock, to SS, to Inconel, what is the weight difference?

Might be important if you are turning some rpm.

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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
From stock, to SS, to Inconel, what is the weight difference?

Might be important if you are turning some rpm.

Ron
Heavy, heavier, heaviest....

Normally we don't worry about the exhaust valve weight as the diameter is much smaller than the intake valve, thus the weight is normally much less.
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Good point!
My cyl head guy gave me crap about not putting better exh valves in when he did my valve job.

But then he thinks I'm nuts for putting a big turbo on a stock engine anyway.

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Idk if i want to put a good set of heads on this motor or do an aluminum 5.3 later so that i can REALLY lean on it and do a set on that. I'm worried about ballooning the Cyls on my LS1 with my boost level. My engine builder said that i might have to worry about it running around 23psi



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