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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 07:38 PM
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Hey guys question. I have a 383ci LT1 with 10:5 CR and Ported TFS Heads, 226/226 custom cam 114LSA. My turbo is a Turbonetics 7875 with currently a .96 A/R but have recently ordered 1.15 A/R. Do you guys think that my turbo is to small for my ci and CR setup? I've been told by a couple people that the 78MM might too small. Thanks a lot!
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That all depends on how much power your looking to make. I'm running the same size turbo, but the On3 version on a 347 and I'm told 700whp is likely around my max. If you can swing it, get a S480, there all the rage these days. I would but my hot side won't fit one.
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Thanx for the input bro. Im thinking a T6 would breathe a lot better. And I could make more HP with ease
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Hey guys question. I have a 383ci LT1 with 10:5 CR and Ported TFS Heads, 226/226 custom cam 114LSA. My turbo is a Turbonetics 7875 with currently a .96 A/R but have recently ordered 1.15 A/R. Do you guys think that my turbo is to small for my ci and CR setup? I've been told by a couple people that the 78MM might too small. Thanks a lot!
How much power do you want and how soon do you want it? What kind of power are you making NA?

With your cubes, I'd guess you'll max out that exh wheel/housing well before the comp. wheel. You'll also run into back pressure issues with that cam/turbo combo. Id be looking into S476/S480 with the big 96mm exh wheel and a larger AR housing.
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Run what you have or else you will never finish the car.

A 7675 works fine for my 383ci LT1.
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Not saying it won’t “work”. But the title reads “Correct turbo size”. I’ll try and find the article. If I recall correctly a 1.10 T4 has a slightly larger than 1” diameter exit on each side of the scroll just before the turbine wheel. So roughly a 2” (ish) diameter restriction at the end of the pipes on a 6.3 liter engine doesn’t sound “correct” to me. Exhaust velocity would get up to the choking point quick and exh. back pressure would be less than ideal IMO.
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How much power do you want and how soon do you want it? What kind of power are you making NA?

With your cubes, I'd guess you'll max out that exh wheel/housing well before the comp. wheel. You'll also run into back pressure issues with that cam/turbo combo. Id be looking into S476/S480 with the big 96mm exh wheel and a larger AR housing.
I would like mid 600s if possible. But back pressure was my main concern. So thats why I opted out for a 1.15ar instead of the 96ar when I had my M6, now that I am going 4L80e I think the 1.15ar would be better fitting.
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Run what you have or else you will never finish the car.

A 7675 works fine for my 383ci LT1.
Duuuuude tell me about it. The more I keep learning the more stupid I feel when I bought parts to start this shin dig. I just want to be satisfied. But im at the point of getting the crossover built so I need to make my mind up quick!
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The 78mm compressor wheel is plenty big for 700 or more HP but the tiny *** turbine and T4 is gonna kill you. Guys are makin 1100 or more on a 76mm and hoin 5.0's.
yours Might make insta boost but will choke out hard.
Is it 6 speed or auto? You should be using somthing in the S400 mid frame size with a minimum of a 83mm exh wheel up to a 96mm. like a S475 or somthing simmilar .
A 1.10 to 1.32 AR on that size wheel will make some serious power. Id sell it and hunt for a used BW. I see em all the time for cheap.
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Your setup should make north of 400hp NA. If 650HP is really all your looking for… your current turbo should do it. I wouldn’t call it “correct” though
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Originally Posted by yoshgixxer
The 78mm compressor wheel is plenty big for 700 or more HP but the tiny *** turbine and T4 is gonna kill you. Guys are makin 1100 or more on a 76mm and hoin 5.0's.
yours Might make insta boost but will choke out hard.
Is it 6 speed or auto? You should be using somthing in the S400 mid frame size with a minimum of a 83mm exh wheel up to a 96mm. like a S475 or somthing simmilar .
A 1.10 to 1.32 AR on that size wheel will make some serious power. Id sell it and hunt for a used BW. I see em all the time for cheap.
Right thats what I was thinking. Im a 4L80e guy. I was looking for a S480 but with turbo's I am terrified of buying a used one. I also hate that most of BW's are journal bearing instead of ball bearing. Thanks for the input!
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
Your setup should make north of 400hp NA. If 650HP is really all your looking for… your current turbo should do it. I wouldn’t call it “correct” though
Right. I dont wanna be a 600hp guy running mid 11s just cuz my bread and butter is not adequate enough
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Right. I dont wanna be a 600hp guy running mid 11s just cuz my bread and butter is not adequate enough
Again, I have no data to show my BP or drive pressure, but, a smaller turbo than yours pushed my 3600lb car to 140 traps at 10psi. Transient response on the street is nice, but, I know if I went to a larger turbo obviously I could make more power. Its all a tradeoff. Its not the optimal turbo but IMO that is based on how you want the car to drive.. racecar, dynoqueen, street car etc..

And don't forgot, a good ported LT1 head prob flows less than a factory cast LSX stuff.
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if you set the car up to run the smaller turbo you can still run good. the cam might be little much for higher back pressure but id get the tune good and go make a few runs with it. there is no reason you cant get low 10s with your turbo.

my nova is 3600# with me in the seat has a tc78 78/68 mm wheels on it a 206/212 cam in a 6.0 truck engine a 3000 stall and 3.23 gear on 28 by 10 tires and runs 10.50s at 10# boost and 11* timing on pumpgas with full exaust. shifting around 5500 rpm. with a better 60' and about 2 more lbs boost i think it will go 10.0s. if you use the power and not slip past it or try to rpm to high you can go fast with that turbo.
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Originally Posted by Shownomercy
Again, I have no data to show my BP or drive pressure, but, a smaller turbo than yours pushed my 3600lb car to 140 traps at 10psi. Transient response on the street is nice, but, I know if I went to a larger turbo obviously I could make more power. Its all a tradeoff. Its not the optimal turbo but IMO that is based on how you want the car to drive.. racecar, dynoqueen, street car etc..

And don't forgot, a good ported LT1 head prob flows less than a factory cast LSX stuff.
My aftermarket ported heads should flow close to a standard ported LSX head. I tried to check that so at least I could hang with some of those guys with a similar to less build. It will be mainly strip but of course who doesnt run on the street? Im not a dyno queen but I would like the see decent numbers after all this hard work .
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you need to be carefull running boost and pumpgas on that 10.5 to 1 engine. id go e85 its the only way to go with 10.5 and boost. jmho.
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if you set the car up to run the smaller turbo you can still run good. the cam might be little much for higher back pressure but id get the tune good and go make a few runs with it. there is no reason you cant get low 10s with your turbo.

my nova is 3600# with me in the seat has a tc78 78/68 mm wheels on it a 206/212 cam in a 6.0 truck engine a 3000 stall and 3.23 gear on 28 by 10 tires and runs 10.50s at 10# boost and 11* timing on pumpgas with full exaust. shifting around 5500 rpm. with a better 60' and about 2 more lbs boost i think it will go 10.0s. if you use the power and not slip past it or try to rpm to high you can go fast with that turbo.
Wow. Thats good to know! I feel better about the turbo I have now. But then that word back pressure keeps popping up too. I just dont want to limit myself right now. Then with the CR and the cam being I guess "a tad big or much" for the exhaust side. By all means I didnt intend to make a race car just yet but looks like its going that way.......
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Originally Posted by yenkomike
you need to be carefull running boost and pumpgas on that 10.5 to 1 engine. id go e85 its the only way to go with 10.5 and boost. jmho.
I am running E85 lol. I asked a question last week on what all was needed other than pumps and E85 fuel lines. I got the sticks for it and a base tune for it as well.
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with e85 id give it a try . it should run good.
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I would but I dont want to limit the performance either. You know!
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