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why is this overkill, am i missing something? im new to the LS world, ive built hondas all my life. i have a 650 hp integra. but i spin bearings once a year lol..
I dissagree. The more HP you can make NA the better. Heads are always the first place to start once desired cubic inch has been decided and where you need to spend the bulk of your money. MAST, All Pro, TFS are all bad *** heads that can get you there with a propper setup valve train and cam.
why is this overkill, am i missing something? im new to the LS world, ive built hondas all my life. i have a 650 hp integra. but i spin bearings once a year lol..
You can make more than 700hp with stock castings
Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
I dissagree. The more HP you can make NA the better. Heads are always the first place to start once desired cubic inch has been decided and where you need to spend the bulk of your money. MAST, All Pro, TFS are all bad *** heads that can get you there with a propper setup valve train and cam.
I think that the fuel system is where you start but other than that I get it. If i had all of the money in the world i would buy aftermarket heads/block/intake/etc and run around making 700hp on no-low boost. With that being said, you can make 700hp with stock parts for a fraction of the cost.
It's not my money though so spend away!
Btw, I've spent a bunch of money on an aftermarket intake to have a guy go just as fast with a ported factory intake because i wasn't making enough power to take advantage of said aftermarket intake. That's where my perspective is coming from.
i see, i dunno. Seemed like he said it wasnt possible. im not sure. its not foreign language. i know my way around a wrench and everything. but maybe from the research ive done, im wrong? i dont know, seems to me, the Mast black label ls7, wcch, Trick flow or AFRs are the way to go, and since i am using a large bore 4.155, i want to take advantage of the ls7 style heads... if im wrong someone please advise. also probably going to use a mid or high rise manifold. Though i do like the 102, i feel like the air speed from the high rise would be better for an NA aplication. i want to turn the motor 7200/7500, thats why i kept a decent stroke 4.00... but maybe i have this **** wrong?
A high rise intake, or even a Super Victor or MAST intake would work great given you plan to turn higher RPM's. I agree stock castings have their place, but in this application, since the OP seems like he's got the cash for some nice heads, might as well spend the money and do it right the first time. Either way, make sure to have a custom cam cut for your application. Solid roller is what I'd do.
look, im a workin man just like you gentlemen.. at least i assume. but im pretty good with finances and been saving for a while. also got some **** to sell if i need to. im sure i can get 7 grand for the integra, not that i NEED it, but we could consider it a nice pair of heads. Would you guys be mad if i told you it was goin in a 3rd gen? hahaha. Dont worry, i shave my head so i cant grow a mullet
Nothing wrong with a third gen. When done right, some of the best looking cars out there. Have you checked out Chris Frank? Google search him and check out his website. He is one of the most sought after head porters out there and for sure has a set of heads for you application. I'd give him a call.
ill def look into it man, i enjoy the wealth of knowlege and i dont mind being corrected given its good information. switching to LS series is a bit different but still an internal cumbustion engine. near same physics applies. i appreciate the help man. i dont want to be too brand loyal you know, i know there are lots of good products made, i just need one to fit my goals. Id like to over compensate on some parts, so i have room to grow in the future if i desire.
That's a smart plan, and the best reason to get a good set of aftermarket heads. Looking forward to seeing how this all works out for you. There are so many great guys on this forum who are always happy to help out. Tons of great vendors too.
Ya, ive seen some solid stuff since ive just been lurking around reading. trying to soak up as much as i can from build threads, seeing what guys put down with what you know? the third gen isnt for sure yet, depends i might get a good deal on an already 9" and LS set up roller, but we will see, i love TA's tho man. other then the c5 and c6 z06, the ws6's are my favorite. how much power are you making with your set up? i see most people running 2" duals, how come the 3" ?
3" duals are pretty much the standard regarding duals. Some have gone 3.5", but clearance is always an issue with duals on an f-body. My car is putting down right around 440 rwhp. If I keep it, a Procharger build is what I'll do.
I still think the All-Pro heads are the best heads you can get, with MAST heads being a close second. I would still check out Chris Frank's website too and give him a call. If there's one thing I've learned in this game, it's to do as much research as you can and talk to as many vendors as you can about your goals and plans for the car before you open up the billfold.
ya, looks like he has some Brodix LS7's that are pretty nice (Chris). what do you mean "buy once cry once" cause of the price? lol i know.. pretty expensive. do you guys think ill have to get them hand ported after i get the heads? or do you guys think i could just assemble and bolt em on?
lol, i would tend to agree with you. ive just seen a lot of opinion that some hand work on some heads seem to be necessary, or make significant gains. i mean 3 grand is a lot of money for some bare casting. even tit valves are 1k +
ya, looks like he has some Brodix LS7's that are pretty nice (Chris). what do you mean "buy once cry once" cause of the price? lol i know.. pretty expensive. do you guys think ill have to get them hand ported after i get the heads? or do you guys think i could just assemble and bolt em on?
Just bolt on in my opinion. That's if you go All-Pro or MAST. Pretty sure all the heads Chris Frank does get CNC ported and hand worked. Those Brodix LS7's would be a nice touch. Again, call him up and tell him everything you can about your setup, HP goals, intended usage, et goals, etc. He can lead you down the right road from there.
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