Forced Induction Superchargers | Turbochargers | Intercoolers

Retarded timing when trying to build boost, hptuners...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 15, 2014 | 07:20 PM
  #1  
eviltwin_1987's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,002
Likes: 0
From: Nor Cal
Default Retarded timing when trying to build boost, hptuners...

I have been tuning my truck for a little bit now. First time tuning anything and I am running into a problem. Previously my tune was done by a local shop and there were some start up issues that I could not solve working with their tune. Therefore I started from a stock tune and have gotten to where I am not. Everything is looking good from what I can tell over the last year except for my timing when trying to build boost. I had never done any real drag racing since I started tuning myself so I didnt have the time to fix it previously.

Here is the problem... When I attempt to build boost my pcm is retarding the timing over 20* until it is retarded, around -3 to -6*. I never had this problem when I was working with the old tune. I am hoping that someone will look over my tine and quick log I took to see why it is doing this. I have messed with both timing tables, the iat timing tables and ect timing tables. I have disabled the knock sensors and Im seeing zero knock on the scanner.

If you have time please look at my tune and short log showing the issue. Thank you in advanced. Racing in two weekends and hoping to have this fixed before then.
Attached Files
File Type: hpt
Sy4l80e3barE85knock changs.hpt (463.3 KB, 198 views)
File Type: hpl
101514 brake boost.hpl (6.1 KB, 158 views)
Reply
Old Oct 15, 2014 | 07:56 PM
  #2  
denmah's Avatar
Moderator
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 5,339
Likes: 31
Default

Retarded timing when trying to build boost, hptuners...-gizngxj.png

try topping that chart out, instead of bottoming it out.

also if you keep having trouble i can post up a 6.0 cammed S480 billet tune up for you to pick and choose off of, just keep your fuel table, since its E85
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2014 | 12:48 AM
  #3  
eviltwin_1987's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,002
Likes: 0
From: Nor Cal
Default

Thanks! Ill try it when I get off in the morning. Im on e85 as well.

Originally Posted by denmah


try topping that chart out, instead of bottoming it out.

also if you keep having trouble i can post up a 6.0 cammed S480 billet tune up for you to pick and choose off of, just keep your fuel table, since its E85
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2014 | 09:05 AM
  #4  
LS1 240sx's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
From: Baltimore,MD
Default

What I see,

Engine > General > Cylinder Vol. - you have .70821 which is LS1, if you are 6.0 lq 6.0 then its .74625 or .75.

Dont know if this will work but worth a shot, Engine > Spark > Advance > max speed and Max hyst. change them to 0 mph.
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2014 | 10:02 AM
  #5  
RonSSNova's Avatar
8 Second Club
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 4,731
Likes: 815
From: Portland, OR
Default

You have abuse mode enabled. I'm pretty sure that will yank timing when you have the brakes on.

You also have EGR enabled as well as all the traction control stuff on. You didn't say what year truck, ecm used etc.

You should so a compare from the tune they had and see what all is different. Since it didn't do it before.

I wouldn't change the cyl displacement at this point. It will change your VE table. Try it and see what it does.....I ran into that with mine.

Ron
Attached Thumbnails Retarded timing when trying to build boost, hptuners...-capture.jpg  
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2014 | 10:36 AM
  #6  
NicD's Avatar
7 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,184
Likes: 701
From: Chandler, AZ
Default

More than a few things, try this.... and you will have to fix your VE table by quite a bit all over because of the fueling transient adjustment.
Attached Files
File Type: hpt
Sy4l80e3barE85knock_nicd.hpt (463.3 KB, 228 views)
Reply
Old Oct 17, 2014 | 10:25 AM
  #7  
NicD's Avatar
7 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,184
Likes: 701
From: Chandler, AZ
Default

Did it fix it?
Reply
Old Oct 19, 2014 | 09:27 PM
  #8  
BLINGOLE's Avatar
TECH Regular
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 457
Likes: 0
From: lakeland floirda
Default

First everything I say im helping not picking on your stuff.



Your timing map needs work, On the footbrake building boost your in the single digits of timing. I would add 5 like down in the high airmass lower rpms and midrange on the brake and start there. Ill post a example. Also that idle area is a mess.

Im sure your not using a EGR so 0 out the EGR spark advance table.

Disable your drive line abuse by rising the rpm to the 8000 or something. This may be your timing table that's killing you.

Torque management also needs turned off, set all your maximum torque limits to the moon.


Your ve table is terrible. It has to look like a smooth hill or your never have it dialed in.







Sorry btw I took awhile to get back with you, I had newborn baby issues.


Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-1

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-8

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Oct 21, 2014 | 08:19 PM
  #9  
eviltwin_1987's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,002
Likes: 0
From: Nor Cal
Default

Originally Posted by NicD
Did it fix it?
Yes sir! Uploaded it that day and timing was right where it should be. Ive been waiting till I had time to compare what you changed so I can learn something. Im gonna shoot you a PM as well night. Thank you

Originally Posted by BLINGOLE

Sorry btw I took awhile to get back with you, I had newborn baby issues.


Like I said via email, thank you for the help. No hard feeling on anything as this is a big learning curve for me. I have been looking at what you posted and have not been able to play with my tune to see if I can learn for what you said as well.


I have the race this Saturday and will be hopefully straightening most of the tune out Friday when I get off work in the morning.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:03 PM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE