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Old Dec 11, 2014 | 01:03 PM
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I recently broke a crank on my car that cost me the block so I just bought a new LS3 block and was considering doing a stroker while I was at it. I have twin 67mm turbo's and was wondering if anyone was running a similar setup and what stroker kit they went with. Previously had a 6.2 stock cube and was making a little over 900rwhp @ 17psi Trying to figure out what size exhaust housings I have right now but I'm thinking they are .61 or .70 what size housing would be good for the 416?
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Old Dec 11, 2014 | 02:36 PM
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What turbine wheels ? T3 or T4 housings ?

What crank was it ?

If you were happy with spool before and have no need for more low rpm torque, then I wouldnt bother with the stroker.
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Old Dec 11, 2014 | 03:08 PM
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It's a T4 housing and just found out the are .61, On the dyno at 5700rpm the power would fall off so I'm trying to prevent that and would like to make a little more power. It was a LSA crank
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Old Dec 11, 2014 | 04:55 PM
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I had 6165 Turbonetics on my 6.2 w/ .58 a/r housings and it choked them quickly. That .61 seems like they'd be too small if you stroked it. Maybe LJMS will chime in and set you on the right path.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 12:17 AM
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It's a T4 housing and just found out the are .61, On the dyno at 5700rpm the power would fall off so I'm trying to prevent that and would like to make a little more power. It was a LSA crank

Isnt the LSA a forged crank ? Strange it should break ?

What camshaft were you using ?

Cam, tuning, turbos, etc etc they'd all play a role with rpm's available. High backpressure on it's own isnt always a cause.

That said, the housing does sound on the small side.

Through lack of choice I've 0.88 housings on mine, but they spool well and seem to work. It would be nice to try larger though. Anything lower just sounds very very small. Although I guess it's also relative to compressor size.

What 67mm wheels are they ?
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 408GT
I had 6165 Turbonetics on my 6.2 w/ .58 a/r housings and it choked them quickly. That .61 seems like they'd be too small if you stroked it. Maybe LJMS will chime in and set you on the right path.
I was thinking the same thing .61 sounds pretty tight. I would have selected at least an .81
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I run twin 66s with a .91ar turbine side. .58 sounds insanely small to me
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I run twin 66s with a .91ar turbine side. .58 sounds insanely small to me
How do those spool? What CI are you running? Mine don't really kick on untill around 3500
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Isnt the LSA a forged crank ? Strange it should break ?

What camshaft were you using ?

Cam, tuning, turbos, etc etc they'd all play a role with rpm's available. High backpressure on it's own isnt always a cause.

That said, the housing does sound on the small side.

Through lack of choice I've 0.88 housings on mine, but they spool well and seem to work. It would be nice to try larger though. Anything lower just sounds very very small. Although I guess it's also relative to compressor size.

What 67mm wheels are they ?
Yes it was a forged crank
223/223 .625/.625 114
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 02:48 PM
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Is that a huge crack across the journal ?

Is that a cause or symptom of it running the big ends there too ?
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 02:52 PM
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Yeah its cracked across the whole thing, you can put your finger in it and flex it.
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Old Dec 13, 2014 | 03:51 AM
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Wow, that's crazy.

Must surely be a manufacturing defect for it to do that ?
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Old Dec 13, 2014 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Wow, that's crazy.

Must surely be a manufacturing defect for it to do that ?
Yeah that's what I think. Of course gm won't take responsibility. I decided to return my ls3 block in exchange for an lsx block, is there anything different that I need to change. Or is it a direct replacement block?
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Old Dec 13, 2014 | 07:26 AM
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TBH certainly this part of the world, there would never be any warranty on performance parts, especially given the wide range of applications they would be used for. Even with a manufacturers defect, but I'd still say in that case it should be a very good argument.

I've never used an LSx block, I'd never want the weight penalty. But pretty sure there are quite a few install differences between it and the other factory blocks.

So no it isnt a total direct replacement.
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the lsx block uses a unique rear cover and cam retainer plate but they come with it.

Its does not have the rear cam sensor hole either so you have to use a gen4 front cover and valley cover, but if you had a ls3 those will work just not the early gen3 stuff.

Obviously it also has unique head gaskets and bolts/studs. But everything else is the same.
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we just recently did a twin setup on a 416 with 2 64mm basically hellion kit with upgrades turbo and it did 1029 spinning on a dynodynamics at 14 lbs
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I would go with the ,96
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Old Dec 13, 2014 | 10:04 AM
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Im have a 416 and talked to LilJohn and we went with twin s366s with an .88 housing.
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Old Dec 13, 2014 | 11:37 AM
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.96 ar housings on a 428 here
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I take the lsx any day of the week once you see it sitting next to a production block.

As Sam said they are as close to drop in as they come. There is absolutely no comparison to decks and cylinder heft on a gen2 block compared to an OEM block

Not to mention the oiling.

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