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Old Jul 14, 2015 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
Lmfao. Look at the data I just shared. He holds excellent iats.

And could hold those if he did it back to back to back to back within 30 seconds of each other.

I can hold similar temps but I can't do 5 full power 160mph hits in 2 minutes and not have them rise because of heat in the water

Sure I hold a 20* rise on each hit but it starts higher each time u less I let the water come back down to temp over a couple minutes


I shared true and hard data.

Your turn


Please provide a log all together of multiple full hits with in seconds of one another and show me you can hold the same temp over and over and over and no time to cool the water

Prove that water will get hot after multiple hard hits on the street on your set up? I don't need to prove common sense. -

However, that is what a heat exchanger is for. You don't like them I guess. That's your deal.

Run a heat exchanger with a fan in line with water only in an A2W set up and enjoy ambient IAT's all damn day long with water only. Then go to the track add ice - and enjoy sub ambient. Show me an A2A that can do that.....

Hopefully I won't have to wait as long as the folks on the AES forum have waited for your "documentation"

In the good words of Kansas, carry on my wayward son.

School me some more.
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Old Jul 14, 2015 | 11:43 AM
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Lmfao omg durp durp
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Old Jul 14, 2015 | 11:45 AM
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You say you can hold iats all at long. Show me multiple hits!
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Old Jul 14, 2015 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
You say you can hold iats all at long. Show me multiple hits!
How about we arrange a grudge. 4 passes hot lapped.

Lets see what a heat exchanger is capable of that way.
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Old Jul 14, 2015 | 12:09 PM
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Durp durp durp. No logs. Just what I thought.

I provide data and you can't. Typical on tecb
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Old Jul 14, 2015 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
Durp durp durp. No logs. Just what I thought.

I provide data and you can't. Typical on tecb

Your data didnt mean anything and it was someone else's. Lmao.

Give me a little and ill log what you want.
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Old Jul 14, 2015 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
Alright good friend. I'll show him this thread so he can confirm.

This car isn't ******* around it is making power


Old intercooler... the straight through junk just like you where using 4" thick

75 degree day

Beginning



End..




Now here we have the same car... But with a Garrett core added over the winter....

This is more boost, longer pull, and warmer day


83* day

Here is before hit



Here it gets about to ambient during pull



And finally max..


First off thanks for sharing that real world info! Mind if i ask how much HP that set-up was making?

I'm still on the fence again about what IC to run on my build but maybe i should first ask what type of fuel are you guys running gas or ethanol of some sort and will that make a difference as to which IC you'd prefer as i understand that E85/98 require approx 170* to properly atomize right?

My car is primarily a track car but with the height of the IM now with the 417 Motorsports A2W i wonder if i could still make the power and keep things as simple as possible while retaining the IAT's needed with E85/98 with something like this

http://www.shearerfabrications.com/i...f06-01005.html

Fwiw i'm shooting for about 1300whp or more if possible.....
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Old Jul 14, 2015 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TRIXLSXSUPRA
First off thanks for sharing that real world info! Mind if i ask how much HP that set-up was making?

I'm still on the fence again about what IC to run on my build but maybe i should first ask what type of fuel are you guys running gas or ethanol of some sort and will that make a difference as to which IC you'd prefer as i understand that E85/98 require approx 170* to properly atomize right?

My car is primarily a track car but with the height of the IM now with the 417 Motorsports A2W i wonder if i could still make the power and keep things as simple as possible while retaining the IAT's needed with E85/98 with something like this

http://www.shearerfabrications.com/i...f06-01005.html

Fwiw i'm shooting for about 1300whp or more if possible.....
Selfishly, I would like to say get the Shearer and sell me your 417 Motorsports intake. :-) I love that thing for 1500WHP set ups and below. Such cool packaging and aesthetics.

I do think at 1300WHP that Holley mani with water only will see your IAT's get in the 160 range. Ice at track and it should remain below ambient for an entire pass.

To answer you question, I run E85. Not sure what Rotary is running. I thought he was a pump and methanol guy. Not 100% on that though.

In all seriousness, if you want to sell the 417 intake PM me.
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I made a video yesterday to show my IATs

Each sender is in opposite intercooler tanks


This on an 80 degree day. Water same temp. On a pass like that I will gain 15* in water temps

I ramp boost in off of base (4psi) around 60mph u can here. Had to pedal but I getting into good power up top and these are the tires I am on

The pointer lags some




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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 08:17 AM
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OP are you pre-chilling the IC before you make a pass?
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
I made a video yesterday to show my IATs

Each sender is in opposite intercooler tanks


This on an 80 degree day. Water same temp. On a pass like that I will gain 15* in water temps

I ramp boost in off of base (4psi) around 60mph u can here. Had to pedal but I getting into good power up top and these are the tires I am on

The pointer lags some




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I'm a bit confused. So what is the top number and what is the bottom number exactly?
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 07:20 AM
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I'm a bit confused. So what is the top number and what is the bottom number exactly?
in and out IAT, he says senders are in each tank at end of IC.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 10:49 AM
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Yup correct

It is surprising how much heat the long charge pipe removes under the car before it gets to the ic. Last year with the ic up front I could hit 300+ in seconds. Actually melted the pre sender lol




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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 11:36 AM
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That's a pretty sweet gauge, I never knew you could get something like that. Just googled it and its not too expensive either
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 11:36 AM
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Thanks for posting up the vid and info!
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 01:00 PM
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dang that is a pretty impressive gauge for iat. so u switched from a a2a setup over the winter to a a2w setup and thats the difference in iat temps from your first logs to the better logs? correct?
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Old Jul 23, 2015 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TRIXLSXSUPRA
First off thanks for sharing that real world info! Mind if i ask how much HP that set-up was making?

I'm still on the fence again about what IC to run on my build but maybe i should first ask what type of fuel are you guys running gas or ethanol of some sort and will that make a difference as to which IC you'd prefer as i understand that E85/98 require approx 170* to properly atomize right?

My car is primarily a track car but with the height of the IM now with the 417 Motorsports A2W i wonder if i could still make the power and keep things as simple as possible while retaining the IAT's needed with E85/98 with something like this

http://www.shearerfabrications.com/i...f06-01005.html

Fwiw i'm shooting for about 1300whp or more if possible.....
Not sure how much power the car was making... It's enough to get a 3650 lb car to go 8.70's. If you're really planning to have a 1300rwhp track car I'd probably just keep that 417 IC. And since you asked, I am running E85.

Originally Posted by brandon6.0
dang that is a pretty impressive gauge for iat. so u switched from a a2a setup over the winter to a a2w setup and thats the difference in iat temps from your first logs to the better logs? correct?
Assuming you're asking about the logs he posted... They are both a2a intercoolers. First one is a regular Chinese core and the new one is a Garrett core.

I went to the track last Friday and got some IAT data. 85° ambient temps, started the run at 120° and ended it at 140°. I was pretty happy with the results myself. Especially considering the conditions.
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