Meth Injection Without Tune Gains
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Meth Injection Without Tune Gains Was curious about the benefits of Meth Injection on boosted applications. Would there be again of adding meth injection to a boosted car without tuning? That is leaving boost and timing unchanged. On N/A cars you usually gain some power by adding a cold air intake. So would this be similar on a boosted engine? I know tuning for it would yield very good gains. But i'm curious of what would happened if added without modifying the tune.
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Whether or not it becomes rich depends on the mixture of methanol and water that you use.
There are a ton of benefits to running it even without a tune. I had a bad episode with a boost controller and wastegate in the past week. Set the controller for 10 lbs, ran 20 lbs of boost on pump gas on 3 separate pulls. The last pull, I hit 27 lbs before I let off. If it wasn't for the water/meth, I would be out looking for a new engine.
There are a ton of benefits to running it even without a tune. I had a bad episode with a boost controller and wastegate in the past week. Set the controller for 10 lbs, ran 20 lbs of boost on pump gas on 3 separate pulls. The last pull, I hit 27 lbs before I let off. If it wasn't for the water/meth, I would be out looking for a new engine.
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Water alone will remove much more heat than methanol, but it doesn't burn so its not likely you'll see noticeable gains. It will greatly reduce chance of detonation, and do a great job of cleaning your plugs, pistons, and valves.
Regular blue -20* windshield washer fluid is like 68% water 32% methanol and you can get it less than $2/gallon. Not much reason not to run that.
Regular blue -20* windshield washer fluid is like 68% water 32% methanol and you can get it less than $2/gallon. Not much reason not to run that.
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Injecting water has a lot of benefits, and yes, you will see some hp gain even if you don't tune for it. It will keep the piston crowns and combustion chamber 'cooler' than not using it, also as the liquid water turns to steam, it cools, but also increases cylinder pressure, which is torque.
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It might be more useful to explain what you are working with, and what you are trying to achieve.
Many cases you could see losses, on the other hand in other cases you may be able to release some gains. But it always depends what you're working with in the first place.
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Injecting water has a lot of benefits, and yes, you will see some hp gain even if you don't tune for it. It will keep the piston crowns and combustion chamber 'cooler' than not using it, also as the liquid water turns to steam, it cools, but also increases cylinder pressure, which is torque.
ran my car on 93 no meth 11.4 afr ran 10.54 at 130 10 # boost 11* timing left it alone and added meth (-20 washer fluid) ran 10.50 at 130 same tune afr now 10.7.
the weather was very close to the same da. all seemed the same.
the weather was very close to the same da. all seemed the same.
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What I was thinking of doing is adding some meth injection or just water alone to lower my chances of detonation. Im running 8# of boost on a procharger with 12* timing. What would be the best way to run this without tune just as a combustion chamber cooler mainly. What I have been seeing is that most people use it to boost octane so they can increase timing.
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What I was thinking of doing is adding some meth injection or just water alone to lower my chances of detonation. Im running 8# of boost on a procharger with 12* timing. What would be the best way to run this without tune just as a combustion chamber cooler mainly. What I have been seeing is that most people use it to boost octane so they can increase timing.
Dont get caught up with big jets etc
A small nozzle, for whatever system you chose, is going to be sufficient and you'll be fine.