BW turbos....China?
BW turbos....China? Looking into some BW turbos for my build, specifically some s200's but I noticed BW has two plants in China and one in Mexico I believe. Just wondering if these are made in China or the USA?
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I don't understand the logic. Regardless of where they are made, they are some of the most reliable and best power producing turbos out there. You shouldn't think in terms of big China turbo or little China turbo, but Borg Warner turbo or little China turbo.
But no, they aren't made in China. Borg makes their dual clutch transmissions at their China plant.
These are what made me question where they were built
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/borgwarner-builds-5-millionth-turbocharger-in-china-300042014.html
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/company/locationsAsia.aspx
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/borgwarner-builds-5-millionth-turbocharger-in-china-300042014.html
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/company/locationsAsia.aspx
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I don't understand the logic. Regardless of where they are made, they are some of the most reliable and best power producing turbos out there. You shouldn't think in terms of big China turbo or little China turbo, but Borg Warner turbo or little China turbo.
But no, they aren't made in China. Borg makes their dual clutch transmissions at their China plant.
But no, they aren't made in China. Borg makes their dual clutch transmissions at their China plant.
Can also see the OPs point...why buy big name chinese when less name chinese is same...why spend money on chinese snap on when harbor frieght chinese is same quality
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https://teespring.com/Chineseturbo?u...5819&sid=front
Precision turbos are cast in china too. Who cares?
I was wondering this myself because I can't find any info on my S475 or the box in came in. I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I purchase a USA made product (that works) but I am not turned off by China stuff either. I was just curious as to where they are made. It seems the automotive turbo division has production facilities in Germany, UK, Brazil, Korea, Mexico, Hungary, and Poland. They obviously have a pretty good grasp of global QC.
https://teespring.com/Chineseturbo?u...5819&sid=front
Precision turbos are cast in china too. Who cares?
If you absolutely have to have a USA manufactured turbo - you're looking at a Bullseye unit.
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The company I work for supplies Borg warner Turbo with all of their cutting and machining fluids. We've never shipped to China for them. It's possible their mass quantity OEM stuff is made in China.
But back to the OP...why does borg (among others) make this kinda stuff in china? a couple reasons. Expertise. Chinese industry has embraced the dirty jobs we "don't want" (aka don't want to be paid **** wages for hazardous and dirty foundry work)
Borg can also get the same quality parts for less money by sourcing those parts to china and india where labor (due to low cost of living) is much cheaper. Those saving don't really get passed on to you, but the shareholders of the corporation. Totally legal under today's trade rules, and not a dime of tariffs is paid.
The only people not getting shafted by these trade policies is the companies who pay our politicians to enact them.
Sick of jobs going overseas? Every buck is vote. Every vote for the status quo politicians is another buck in the corporate lobbying fund. Its a feedback loop.
ARRRGG get me off the politics train before my head explodes
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well thats not quite accurate. HF is low export quality stuff. China has nice quality tools for their home market. I've seen it in my line of work. They don't sell it here because with tariffs and such they can't make the margin work.
But back to the OP...why does borg (among others) make this kinda stuff in china? a couple reasons. Expertise. Chinese industry has embraced the dirty jobs we "don't want" (aka don't want to be paid **** wages for hazardous and dirty foundry work)
Borg can also get the same quality parts for less money by sourcing those parts to china and india where labor (due to low cost of living) is much cheaper. Those saving don't really get passed on to you, but the shareholders of the corporation. Totally legal under today's trade rules, and not a dime of tariffs is paid.
The only people not getting shafted by these trade policies is the companies who pay our politicians to enact them.
Sick of jobs going overseas? Every buck is vote. Every vote for the status quo politicians is another buck in the corporate lobbying fund. Its a feedback loop.
ARRRGG get me off the politics train before my head explodes
But back to the OP...why does borg (among others) make this kinda stuff in china? a couple reasons. Expertise. Chinese industry has embraced the dirty jobs we "don't want" (aka don't want to be paid **** wages for hazardous and dirty foundry work)
Borg can also get the same quality parts for less money by sourcing those parts to china and india where labor (due to low cost of living) is much cheaper. Those saving don't really get passed on to you, but the shareholders of the corporation. Totally legal under today's trade rules, and not a dime of tariffs is paid.
The only people not getting shafted by these trade policies is the companies who pay our politicians to enact them.
Sick of jobs going overseas? Every buck is vote. Every vote for the status quo politicians is another buck in the corporate lobbying fund. Its a feedback loop.
ARRRGG get me off the politics train before my head explodes
So Borg could make them in USA and sell them at same price but would not have profits to pass on to shareholders? So a company could make something and sell it here in USA and not have any profits to pass on to the owners of the company. Sounds like a sound business plan. I wonder why no one is doing it to take business away from BW?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_labor_arbitrage
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not zero profits, just less profits. a corporation simply is way to organize human labor. they are only responsible for putting a good return back into the investors hands. they are loyal to no flag or code of ethics. here is a good short read on labor and international trade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_labor_arbitrage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_labor_arbitrage