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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 09:33 AM
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I have a general idea of how I am supposed to run the lines but some things are still unclear like pre TB or post TB connection points. This is a LT1 btw.

I have dual 44mm gates, BOV, AMS 500 V2 boost controller and boost gauge. Anyone wanna draw me up a diagram to show how things should be "properly routed"?

Here is the vacuum block I am using:

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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 11:01 AM
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I run everything from my intake. All of it. That way everything sees the exact same amount of boost.
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Ok, by why is there controversy over doing so pre TB? I was under the assumption to run everything off the intake as well.
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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 11:25 AM
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Couldnt tell you. One port on my intake goes to wastegate. Other goes to vacuum block. In the vac block is my BOV, Hobbs switch for methanol pump, boost gauge, map sensor, and whatever else. I would personally not bother running anything pre-TB.
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Couldnt tell you. One port on my intake goes to wastegate. Other goes to vacuum block. In the vac block is my BOV, Hobbs switch for methanol pump, boost gauge, map sensor, and whatever else. I would personally not bother running anything pre-TB.
Cool, thats simple!
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I run my WG off the comp housing, which is "pre throttle body" but if you want to compensate for what restrictions you have inlet tract wise, toss the signal on intake. Being as you are gonna go C02 at some point, I would keep it simple and run WG to comp housing for now till you get the C02 lines made up. Less intake clutter.
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I run my WG off the comp housing, which is "pre throttle body" but if you want to compensate for what restrictions you have inlet tract wise, toss the signal on intake. Being as you are gonna go C02 at some point, I would keep it simple and run WG to comp housing for now till you get the C02 lines made up. Less intake clutter.
Good point. I think I'll have my compressor drilled then. I'll get some pics together to make sure Im going down the right path....
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The problem with running compressor pressure is that your wastegate or even electronic boost controller that's referenced from it don't open at the boost you're wanting.

With a restrictive coldside, your pre-intercooler pressure might be higher than after. So you put a 12 lb spring in to run 12 lbs. Your compressor is running 12 PSI but your gauge is only reading 8 PSI when the gate opens.

I run reference everything from the exact same boost source for a reason. Sometimes it's just easier to reference the wastegate from the compressor.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
The problem with running compressor pressure is that your wastegate or even electronic boost controller that's referenced from it don't open at the boost you're wanting.

With a restrictive coldside, your pre-intercooler pressure might be higher than after. So you put a 12 lb spring in to run 12 lbs. Your compressor is running 12 PSI but your gauge is only reading 8 PSI when the gate opens.

I run reference everything from the exact same boost source for a reason. Sometimes it's just easier to reference the wastegate from the compressor.
So that is why it makes more sense to run the boost sources from one similar area instead of having boost referenced items read from multiple locations, giving inaccurate readings?
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Not sure if you're using a stock throttle body or not, but there's a port on the upper right side (passengers side) of the throttle body that would only see boost, no vacuum and be after any intercooler. I know there's some debate whether or not a WG should see vacuum, so that's up to you. Just throwing out another option.



You can kin of see it on the side of the throttle body. It's plugged, but this is where I run my boost controller from.
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Not sure if you're using a stock throttle body or not, but there's a port on the upper right side (passengers side) of the throttle body that would only see boost, no vacuum and be after any intercooler. I know there's some debate whether or not a WG should see vacuum, so that's up to you. Just throwing out another option.

You can kin of see it on the side of the throttle body. It's plugged, but this is where I run my boost controller from.
Remember Im LT1.

This is getting confusing. Im glad I asked. Crazy how so many people have different theories....
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I understand. People tell me its bad to let the wastegate see vacuum as well and go into this huge discussion about why it shouldn't happen, etc etc.

I just ran mine to the nipple on the intake. Sees boost and vacuum. Zero issues.
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AMS500 wants to see comp for WG pressure control, signal comes from intake.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
I understand. People tell me its bad to let the wastegate see vacuum as well and go into this huge discussion about why it shouldn't happen, etc etc.

I just ran mine to the nipple on the intake. Sees boost and vacuum. Zero issues.
Now I need to see what port on the LT1 intake sees boost. That'll help out a lot. Learn new things everyday!
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Not to hijack but the OP and I are in the same exact boat. vacuum routing! If its fine to run everything from the intake, Im using an LS3 intake so my question is could I just come off the nipple at the rear of the intake to feed into my vacuum block??

As in T it from there with my brake booster?

2 Tial 44 Wastegates
Tail Q BOV
Aeromotive FPR
brake booster

EDIT: forgot to mention I have a AEM TruBoost controller also

I have a 8 port vacuum block btw

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Yes. The vacuum block I have had fittings on both ends so you can place it right in the middle of the booster hose.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
Yes. The vacuum block I have had fittings on both ends so you can place it right in the middle of the booster hose.
Sorry forgot to mention that I have a boost controller also. The AEM TruBoost. This also go into that vac. block right?
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
The vacuum block I have had fittings on both ends so you can place it right in the middle of the booster hose.
This...

I would run all vacuum/boost lines to the vacuum block.

If you run your Boost controller to the compressor housing, just know that what the motor is actually seeing will be a little less due to inefficiency thru the piping/intercooler. Not a big deal. I would run everything to the vacuum block though.
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Originally Posted by RealQuick
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I would run all vacuum/boost lines to the vacuum block.

If you run your Boost controller to the compressor housing, just know that what the motor is actually seeing will be a little less due to inefficiency thru the piping/intercooler. Not a big deal. I would run everything to the vacuum block though.
Boost controller sees manifold pressure, but the solenoid will be pressurized off the comp housing. Again, AMS500 asks for that setup, so you will see whatever boost you want from it..
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This is the version I have. It may be different than the version one you showed me over in the LT1 section:

http://www.nlrsystems.com/files/ams5...S-500%20V2.pdf
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