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Old 12-18-2016, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
okay i see where you're going. bearing damage?

i'm working on my psychic abilities, i'll try one

I see a charge for $28 from blackstone labs on TurboLSbirds' credit card in the near future.
When i take my reusable pure power filter apart there is nothing alarming in it.
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
okay i see where you're going. bearing damage?

i'm working on my psychic abilities, i'll try one

I see a charge for $28 from blackstone labs on TurboLSbirds' credit card in the near future.
Lmao! Yeah I'm trying to rule it out. When I toasted some bearings my oil temps where much higher.
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thats good news. whats the oil look like? does it smell like a burnt skillet?
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Originally Posted by TURBOLSBIRD
No just seems like a lot of temp. I never even maxed it out yet. This log was about a 30 minute run.
It is high. No doubt about that. Not to mention you didn't even get in it. My question is what do the temps look like under load? Are you just now paying attention to them?
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Over 250* raises real concerns. The oil temp at crank/rod bearings is much higher than sump temp. Oil failure and resulting bearing failure becomes a concern. Engine components rely on direct contact with oil to cool much more than transfer into cooling system (which has been reduced with filled block)

What did engine builder say when oil temps were mentioned?

For pleasure reading, check out some 3rd party insight on oil performance and analysis https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/

Search "thermal" will get you to some insightful info.
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I monitor oil temps on mine, but it's not half filled. I see a peak of 210 when beating on it hard. Just cruising down the highway it will cool back down to 180-185.
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
yeah but steve is always trippin on the sensors

what i see in that screen grab makes sense. if anything stands out its that the pressure didnt fall way off above 280*

prolly runnin that rotella t6
That's because it seems so many people install sensors...and never bother to ensure whether they are calibrated correctly within their system, they never test the calibration...then start posting about strange temperature readings.


As with anything, there is a process to follow, start at step 1. People seem to jump to step 3 ,4 ,5 or whatever first.

The user on the Holley forum is posting a lot of data for people to use. He doesnt appear to be a Holley tech, so is he also offering verifiable proof he has tested all the sensors and confirmed his calibration data is accurate ?
Or is he just posting what he things should be right mathematically ?
The latter is not a good idea.

if Holley can confirm all his data is correct for those sensors, then that should be fine. Otherwise, test the damn things !
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
thats good news. whats the oil look like? does it smell like a burnt skillet?
No, oil actually come out clean granted i change it frequently. I would think the oil wouild turn black really really fast if bearings were bad. I run all the oil i drain out of the pan through a coffee filter too just to make sure of any big foreign debris.

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It is high. No doubt about that. Not to mention you didn't even get in it. My question is what do the temps look like under load? Are you just now paying attention to them?
Under load they will rise quickly 267 was cruising at one point in the graph. when i got on it went to 284 rather quickly.
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At this point I think the next logical step is A. test your sensor and B. Get a cooler on the car.
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Originally Posted by oscs
At this point I think the next logical step is A. test your sensor and B. Get a cooler on the car.
I will heat a pot of water with the sensor in it and record what a regular thermometer reads to what the Holley is recording. I will let you know
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Good idea
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Originally Posted by TURBOLSBIRD
I will heat a pot of water with the sensor in it and record what a regular thermometer reads to what the Holley is recording. I will let you know
Recommend use cooking oil to 300F.
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Originally Posted by tblentrprz
Recommend use cooking oil to 300F.
I recommend putting some chicken wings in there too.
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boiling water...or more appropriately steam would be a more reliable indicator.

And ensure the sensor is within the heat for a good 10-20s before taking the reading, as most sensors like this have very slow response times.

Although if you can safely take oil up to a higher temp and measure it some other way to confirm, all the better.
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Half filled blocks run cooler coolant wise since the coolant is pulling less heat out of the cylinder
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
I recommend putting some chicken wings in there too.
Lol good call
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I finally got time to do a test on the sensor. I took a deep fryer and put the Autometer 2259 sensor and a GM head coolant sensor in it.

Here are the data points i entered.
OHMS TEMP
20 340
25 320
32 300
42 280
65 250
89 230
105 220
119 212
123 210
149 200
175 190
253 170
374 150
460 140
708 120
1123 100

The graph is below. Fire away!

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Both appear similar...however, I would not trust any automotive coolant sensor above around 240degF

The resistance of most are very non linear around that temp and would not be reliable above it. Unless you know the sensor has been proven above this.

You'd be better to test against a thermocouple or something actually intended for the temperatures you are testing.

Definitely a good idea for the test though.....did the fryer have a temp indicator on it ?

Although even despite the above....clearly your oil temps must be pretty damn high.
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how'd the chicken turn out?
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Does the temp sensor read accurately when measuring oil temp in engine compared to stove top temp test?


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