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Old Apr 14, 2017 | 07:48 PM
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Hi im new here and need some help with my setup. I have 430 wheels HP motor only and i like to have 800 + WHP. My setup is:

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Forged engine (10.0:1 comp)
Bloc LS6 / 347cui
Piston Diamond -8.6
Rods K1 avec arp2000 rods bolt
Camshaft(232/240 .595/.608 115 LSA) EPP blower cam
Arp main and head studs
PRC 62cc head stage 2.5 5.3 CNC / .600 lift INTAKE 308 cfm / Exhaust 223 cfm
COMP Cams Trunnion Upgrade Kit
LS9 head gasket
LS6 intake
LS6 Valley pan convertion
Hotwire Kit
Headers TSP 1 7/8
Hooker exhaust
TSP ''Y'' pipe
V-Band clamp on pipe

Drivetrain
Transmission T-56 rebuilt Stage 3 (31 spline,800hp+)
Clutch McLoed RXT (twin disk)
Diff Moser 9" trutrac posi and 4.11's.
Cross drilled/slotted rotors.
Pro 5.0 with LSS.
Strange Chromoly drive shaft (1200hp)
Mags 17x9 and 17x11 Zr1 Silver and Machined Lip
Front tire Goodyears 275/40r17
Rear tire Nitto NT05Rs 315/35r17
Line lock Husrt

Chassis/Suspension
BMR lowering springs 2''
BMR panhard bar and relocation brackets
BMR subframe connectors
BMR adj torque arm tranny Mount.
Sphon tunel mount drive shaft safty loop
Lower control arm ajustable et relocation braket
Shock Strange DA 10 position

TURBO SET UP BY CXRACING 98-02 CAMARO TRANS AM KIT

Product Info and Spec:
Manifold/Header Kit:
- Stainless Steel
- 2.5" Cross Pipe and 3" Downpipe

Intercooler:
- Core Size: 24"x12"x4"
- Overall Size: 31"x12"x4"
- 3" Inlet & Outlet
- 4" core, Bar and Plate Design
- 100% Aluminum

Piping Kit:
- Mandrel Bent Aluminum Pipe
- 3" Pipes
- Comes with BOV, Silicon Hoses, and T-Bolt Clamps

Turbo gt45 80mm (https://www.cxracing.com/index.php?r...ice&order=DESC )

- 5" Air Inlet
- 3.25" Vband Compressed Air Outlet
- Ceramic Ball Bearing on Compressor Side Compressor
- Standard T4 Turbine Housing Flange
- 3.5" V-Band Exhaust Outlet
- Oil Cooled
- 0.60 A/R Compressor
- 1.15 A/R Turbine
- Compressor Wheel (Major/Exducer): 80/108mm
- Turbine Wheel (Major/Inducer): 77.4/88.9 mm

Downpipe:
- 3" Stainless Steel Downpipe (2Pcs)
- 3" Vband
- Comes with Standard O2 Fitting Flange

I think a will run a safe 15 psi and i will change the wastegate and blow off valve for safety for my motor.

with some hp boost calculator on the internet 430 whp + 15psi boost = 800-850whp

so i need a lot of fuel to run this number !

what fuel setup kit i need ????? im lost at this points.

-in-tank pump ,regulator ?
-psi line 43.5 or 58.5( i heard is more use in forced induction engine) ?
-fuel rail ?
-injector size ?
-water methanol kit ?
-BOOST controller
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Old Apr 14, 2017 | 09:00 PM
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You need to do an enormous amount of reading first. Regardless of what internet calculators tell you, 15#'s of boost is not going to magically double your horsepower. Also, running that much boost on 10/1 CR is doable, but requires a lot of tuning knowledge if you plan to use pump gas. If you plan to do all of this on your own, you need to do a ton of research first. If you plan to get a tuner to take care of things, then find out what fuel setup your tuner would prefer.
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Old Apr 14, 2017 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by gametech
You need to do an enormous amount of reading first. Regardless of what internet calculators tell you, 15#'s of boost is not going to magically double your horsepower. Also, running that much boost on 10/1 CR is doable, but requires a lot of tuning knowledge if you plan to use pump gas. If you plan to do all of this on your own, you need to do a ton of research first. If you plan to get a tuner to take care of things, then find out what fuel setup your tuner would prefer.
I've done dozens of setups where 15# MORE than doubled the power, but it takes a very carefully thought out setup. Typically, the more restrictive the heads are, the better your changes of having more than double power with 1 bar of boost.


I wouldn't run that blower cam with a single T4 turbo. No way.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
I've done dozens of setups where 15# MORE than doubled the power, but it takes a very carefully thought out setup. Typically, the more restrictive the heads are, the better your changes of having more than double power with 1 bar of boost.


I wouldn't run that blower cam with a single T4 turbo. No way.
While I am sure you have done setups where 15#'s of boost IN ADDITION to tuning and other changes doubled the horsepower, the boost alone is not physically capable of it. While 2 atmospheres worth of pressure can THEORETICALLY double N/A power, the compressor has to be powered by something, and that power comes from the engine. This is a matter of basic physics.
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Old Apr 14, 2017 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
I've done dozens of setups where 15# MORE than doubled the power, but it takes a very carefully thought out setup. Typically, the more restrictive the heads are, the better your changes of having more than double power with 1 bar of boost.


I wouldn't run that blower cam with a single T4 turbo. No way.
Just curious, what's wrong with that cam? To much duration.
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Old Apr 14, 2017 | 09:34 PM
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You're not just doubling the amount of air the engine inhales. You're increasing intake velocity, changing how a cam profile behaves, improving fuel atomization, increasing dynamic compression, removing CFM restrictions on a given heads/intake combo, etc.

You can increase the power of an engine without altering its air/fuel intake in any way just by increasing its efficiency rate. Its MORE than possible, in a lot of circumstances, its probable.
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Old Apr 14, 2017 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MY_2K_Z
Just curious, what's wrong with that cam? To much duration.
Too much duration/wide LSA for the rest of the combo.
Not saying it won't work, but the transition into boost will feel very lazy.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
Too much duration/wide LSA for the rest of the combo.
Not saying it won't work, but the transition into boost will feel very lazy.
is supposed to be a good force induction camshaft! http://shop.brutespeed.com/Brute-Speed-Forced-Induction-Camshaft-FREE-SHIPPING-Brute-Speed-Camshaft.htm

maybe is not the best head for this setup because of the 62cc.. have you tips for me?

6.0L heads 317 or 918 # ?
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Old Apr 14, 2017 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JP Blanchette
is supposed to be a good force induction camshaft! http://shop.brutespeed.com/Brute-Spe...d-Camshaft.htm

maybe is not the best head for this setup because of the 62cc.. have you tips for me?

6.0L heads 317 or 918 # ?
Despite what a lot of people claim, supercharger and turbocharger camshafts are often very different designs. One can cram air in with very little restriction, the other crams a ton of air in and then blocks off the exhaust as it tries to escape.

Lots of duration and overlap work fine for a turbo setup as long as there are cubic inches (or RPM), or plenty of exhaust flow to support it. Twin turbo cams typically allow for more duration/overlap than single turbo cams. T6 cams typically allow for more than T4 based cams, etc. For a stock cube 5.7 with a T4 turbo, I don't think I'd be running a 24x exhaust duration on a 115 LSA.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
You're not just doubling the amount of air the engine inhales. You're increasing intake velocity, changing how a cam profile behaves, improving fuel atomization, increasing dynamic compression, removing CFM restrictions on a given heads/intake combo, etc.

You can increase the power of an engine without altering its air/fuel intake in any way just by increasing its efficiency rate. Its MORE than possible, in a lot of circumstances, its probable.
None of that happens without tuning AND hardware changes. If you do both of those things, then of course you can get closer to ideal power levels. I defy you to show me one single instance where 2 bar boost doubled horsepower output with no other changes. It is physically impossible.
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Since you can't run an N/A tune in boost, the whole argument becomes irrelevant.
Even unbolting the wastegate and testing/tuning it N/A and then adding boost, the tune cannot be the same.

If you want me to show you instances where the % power increase was greater than the % air increase, hold onto your seat lol.
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twin 450s with a good wiring kit(racetronix,lonnies) Id go -10/-8 ptfe in case you ever want to go big and e85. 120s/160s high impedance injectors, good regulator and rails. im sure one of them has a whole kit ready to ship. dont go smaller because youll get stuck doing it over again like i have several times
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Is sure that i will run a low cost turbo setup like cxracing kit.

https://www.cxracing.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=92_619_1308&product_id=2514

i will run this kit but upgrade de p-trim 76mm by a 80mm gt45
https://www.cxracing.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=95&product_id=385&sort=p.price&order= DESC

i dont find any that low cost and complete like that on the net and bolt on!

with a 450lph fuel pump and 96 lb injector
maybe aem water meth kits
boost controller manuel and upgrade later with electronic for different setup preset.
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Originally Posted by lmt0705
twin 450s with a good wiring kit(racetronix,lonnies) Id go -10/-8 ptfe in case you ever want to go big and e85. 120s/160s high impedance injectors, good regulator and rails. im sure one of them has a whole kit ready to ship. dont go smaller because youll get stuck doing it over again like i have several times
i don't have e85 fuel
in my town... any other idea?
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Originally Posted by gametech
You need to do an enormous amount of reading first. Regardless of what internet calculators tell you, 15#'s of boost is not going to magically double your horsepower. Also, running that much boost on 10/1 CR is doable, but requires a lot of tuning knowledge if you plan to use pump gas. If you plan to do all of this on your own, you need to do a ton of research first. If you plan to get a tuner to take care of things, then find out what fuel setup your tuner would prefer.
will run 15 lb with methanol and maybe less in the street with 91 pump gas.

how much boost you think im able to acheive in pump gas with 9.8 compression
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will run 15 lb with methanol and maybe less in the street with 91 pump gas.

how much boost you think im able to acheive in pump gas with 9.8 compression
This is an area that will have a lot to do with the tune and the quality of fuel you get. You will also be able to run more boost with flow matched injectors, since the leanest cylinder will likely detonate first. As for the total amount of boost, don't chase a specific number too far. For example, you can run more boost with a 10/1 AF than with a 12/1 AF, but you may not make more power, as the fuel burns slower at mixtures richer than around 12/1. Also, you can run more boost by pulling more timing, but you end up hitting a point where you are no longer making more power. The specific numbers you end up with should be dictated by dyno or track results, while closely monitoring for detonation.
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