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Old May 22, 2017 | 08:11 AM
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so i've just started tuning my 4.8/7875 combo but it appears peak torque has moved up from around 3500-4000 rpm with the 6 liter to 5000 with the 4.8.

i'm actually liking the 4.8 quite a bit. it's not a dog down low like I had assumed it would be. just takes another half second to light the turbo up.

where are you located?
Mine is a dog in this big truck. I'm in southern maine
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Old May 22, 2017 | 08:14 AM
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you got a cam/converter/gears?
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Old May 22, 2017 | 08:19 AM
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This one is Stock 4.8. 80e 410
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Old May 22, 2017 | 08:29 AM
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ok cool. hey I was looking at your log data for the advance vs kPa and it seems kinda high to me




15 degrees at 4000 rpm and 8psi is on the edge from what I gather.

I'd take it back to the 12 degrees you have in it at just before that area and work up.

I like that you keep timing in it until a couple psi builds. I do this too, but you gotta pull it smoothly.

you're on the right track bro.pull that timing back down to maybe even 10* with the stock cam and keep reading the plugs
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Old May 22, 2017 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylanplace
That would make me richer than the wideband says then. So that wouldn't be a terrible thing. But it's tight
It would be if you were to rich already. Which you are. The only reason to shoot for 10 afrs would be on the first drive to see where you are at and make sure it's not lean. Got any plug pictures?
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Old May 22, 2017 | 10:42 AM
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It would be if you were to rich already. Which you are. The only reason to shoot for 10 afrs would be on the first drive to see where you are at and make sure it's not lean. Got any plug pictures?
That was my point. If he is in the 10s already and the sensor reads lean, then it could be PIG rich, ie rich enough to do damage. he said its tight though, so all I can do is take his word on that one.
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Old May 22, 2017 | 11:10 AM
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Just looked at your log and tune. Your Boost PE is set at 11.3 but I am seeing 10-13 AFR underboost on your wideband though.
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Old May 22, 2017 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sbcgenII
Just looked at your log and tune. Your Boost PE is set at 11.3 but I am seeing 10-13 AFR underboost on your wideband though.
ya I couldn't get it to command properly that was another issue so I was slowly fooling it through the ve to try to get it close.
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Old May 22, 2017 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylanplace
blue knocking.hpl
I don't have or use HPTuners, so didn't pay much attention before and missed this little detail.

The file name is a little telling. If it's that rich and knocking, there's typically too much ignition advance.

Dougs post above is good advice. I might even pull more and slowly sneak up on 12ish in that 4k area, smoothly ramping it to about 14º at 6k, while also sneaking the fueling into the low to mid 11's. Little by little.

This assumes the commanded timing is the actual timing. If it hasn't been verified and any offset accounted for, these numbers could be problematic too... if 12º commanded is actually 18º, or whatever.
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Old May 22, 2017 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SethU
I don't have or use HPTuners, so didn't pay much attention before and missed this little detail.

The file name is a little telling. If it's that rich and knocking, there's typically too much ignition advance.
I named it that because that's when it broke the ring lands and started ticking
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Old May 22, 2017 | 11:54 AM
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If it broke that many at once, that's a tell-tale sign that its a generalized problem like a tune. What wideband are you using?
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Old May 22, 2017 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylanplace
I named it that because that's when it broke the ring lands and started ticking
Ah. Got it. Yeah, I imagine it would make a little noise after that. LOL

Can you post a pic of the face of the pistons
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Old May 22, 2017 | 12:10 PM
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Your torching those pistons. Check your fuel setup. Running 1 wideband just means its an average of all the cylinders so there could be cylinders that arent being fuelled as much as the others.

Do a pull and yank all the plugs and compare them. If they look different, then you have issues.
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Old May 22, 2017 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dylanplace
ya I couldn't get it to command properly that was another issue so I was slowly fooling it through the ve to try to get it close.
Are your tuning in open loop? Steady fuel pressure?
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Old May 22, 2017 | 12:32 PM
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Yes. Fuel pressure is 58 to 60. Using an aem wideband
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Old May 22, 2017 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dylanplace
Yes. Fuel pressure is 58 to 60. Using an aem wideband
this engine had an ls9 cam aswell
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Old May 22, 2017 | 12:44 PM
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Thats not just a few degrees too much timing, thats something way fucked. A broken ringland, ok, too much timing at pk tq.

But those pistons are torched.

Unless ur keeping the thing floored for minutes, id say you have something else going on.
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Old May 22, 2017 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dburt86
Thats not just a few degrees too much timing, thats something way fucked. A broken ringland, ok, too much timing at pk tq.

But those pistons are torched.

Unless ur keeping the thing floored for minutes, id say you have something else going on.
well what are you thinking then. It looks to me like there is enough fuel from the black
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Old May 22, 2017 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dylanplace
well what are you thinking then. It looks to me like there is enough fuel from the black
mmmm nope.
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Old May 22, 2017 | 01:35 PM
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I would say fuel starvation or your timing isnt what you think it is.
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