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Old Jun 12, 2017 | 03:23 PM
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Okay guys, what do you think a stock 2012 L94 short block will take with increased ring gaps? Stock crank (machined for 2 keys), Stock Rods, Stock pistons, Stock used bearings.

Engine has 70k on it. Ring gaps would be opened up to ~0.025-0.030.

Anyone know anything about the rods and pistons used in these? My top end with LS9 heads & gaskets, studs, F1R procharger etc, will be used. Think she'll hold the 23psi I have it pulleyed for?
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Old Jun 12, 2017 | 03:43 PM
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Also, my rev limiter is set for 7500 rpm
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Old Jun 12, 2017 | 05:05 PM
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Realistically, I'll probably start off with my larger pulley to drop the boost to about 18psi and shift around 7k. It will have main studs and arp rod bolts as well.
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Old Jun 25, 2017 | 02:11 PM
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No one has an opinion on this??

I'm am concerned about what the stock pistons will take..

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I don't know much about the pro charger stuff but I'd say your definitely on the edge of what a sbe will take.
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I do have a set of forged rods and pistons, but I was hoping to save the rods for another project. I could pickup a set of cheap H-beams I suppose. The pistons are made for a 6.125, so can't run the stock rods.
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Old Jun 25, 2017 | 04:53 PM
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A2W IC - max intake temps I've seen are ~135F
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I assume you mean L92. I make 933 on a SBE LS3 on e85 and have made over 700 for over 5 years with a D1SC and now D1X.
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Originally Posted by Detoxx03
I assume you mean L92. I make 933 on a SBE LS3 on e85 and have made over 700 for over 5 years with a D1SC and now D1X.
I actually do mean L94, but it's essentially the same as a l92/ls3.

That's great to hear. Amazing what these things can take stock!
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Originally Posted by jrtoffroad
I actually do mean L94, but it's essentially the same as a l92/ls3.

That's great to hear. Amazing what these things can take stock!
Never heard of it but I stand corrected.

It's all in having enough octane and a good tune.
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Originally Posted by Detoxx03
I assume you mean L92. I make 933 on a SBE LS3 on e85 and have made over 700 for over 5 years with a D1SC and now D1X.
That is amazing not only for a sbe, but 933 with a D1 is impressive on any motor.
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Originally Posted by Detoxx03
Never heard of it but I stand corrected.

It's all in having enough octane and a good tune.
The L92 engine was only made for one year...2009 and it had only VVT. The L94 came out in 2010 and had VVT and AFM. Similar engines, but different GM designation.

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Originally Posted by jrtoffroad
I do have a set of forged rods and pistons, but I was hoping to save the rods for another project. I could pickup a set of cheap H-beams I suppose. The pistons are made for a 6.125, so can't run the stock rods.
If I did anything over with a stock block I would put rods in it if your gonna turn it up. After beating on mine for over a year (saw 25+PSI every time I drove it) I finally wrinkled 4 Gen4 rods but the pistons and block looked spotless. Car ran mid 9's at 4000lbs for whatever power that comes out to.
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
If I did anything over with a stock block I would put rods in it if your gonna turn it up. After beating on mine for over a year (saw 25+PSI every time I drove it) I finally wrinkled 4 Gen4 rods but the pistons and block looked spotless. Car ran mid 9's at 4000lbs for whatever power that comes out to.
That's amazing.

It looks like the LSA rods are much beefier than the standard LS3 stuff, and they're very well priced at ~29/rod. Might be a good option.

BUT, I'm scared of the cast pistons. I've pretty much talked myself into trying to cleanup and run my old forged JE's. These have very little use, but the skirts are all scratched up from losing the bearing and debris getting sprayed all over the engine. If I ran these pistons I'd use my Callies ultra rods since they're for a 6.125 rod.

I'm ultimately trying to build two engines so I'll have a primary and backup for my race car. I'm trying to go a little cheap on the L94, then sleeve my old LSA block and go a little crazier on that.
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Lsa rods are the same as gen 4 rods
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Old Jun 30, 2017 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MY_2K_Z
Lsa rods are the same as gen 4 rods
You sure about that?

The LSA PN I'm finding is: 12604857
The LS3/L92 PN is: 12649190

In the pictures I've seen of the LSA's definitely look they have more material around the small end than the L94 rods I have:
LSA Connecting Rod
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Originally Posted by MY_2K_Z
Lsa rods are the same as gen 4 rods
Same material... slightly different design.

Originally Posted by jrtoffroad
You sure about that?

The LSA PN I'm finding is: 12604857
The LS3/L92 PN is: 12649190

In the pictures I've seen of the LSA's definitely look they have more material around the small end than the L94 rods I have:
LSA Connecting Rod
Wouldn't hurt, but for that price your halfway to a forged set. Slippery slope, haha

Originally Posted by jrtoffroad
That's amazing.

It looks like the LSA rods are much beefier than the standard LS3 stuff, and they're very well priced at ~29/rod. Might be a good option.

BUT, I'm scared of the cast pistons. I've pretty much talked myself into trying to cleanup and run my old forged JE's. These have very little use, but the skirts are all scratched up from losing the bearing and debris getting sprayed all over the engine. If I ran these pistons I'd use my Callies ultra rods since they're for a 6.125 rod.

I'm ultimately trying to build two engines so I'll have a primary and backup for my race car. I'm trying to go a little cheap on the L94, then sleeve my old LSA block and go a little crazier on that.
Don't get greedy in the tune and pistons should be fine. But if you have forged pieces laying around certainly wouldn't hurt throwing them in.
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Old Jul 2, 2017 | 05:25 PM
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I snapped the rods during a 1/2 mile pull which is pretty tough on them. This was around 22psi. New motor is built to last now.
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