600ftlbs here....bone stock 4l60e with a Yank 3600 stall....still in 1 piece. 
Thinking of Ebay-Turbo over HCI
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This comment it's troubling. You want 600ft/lb so you want a turbo setup..... but if you have to pull the motor...you'll do a 383. Did you really think 600 ft/lb will come easily from a 383? And if you don't know whether or not if you can gap the rings with the motor still in the car, I predict this mechanic of yours is going to rob you blind.
My comment was not fully explained.
I was talking about my goals. Not going crate or spending $10k for a crate when 430hp/11sec was my goal and the LS1 can get it there with HCI. As I looked into turbo stuff more the $2k kits are working and seem to be bolt on to existing blocks and can get the 500-600hp/tq range easy on same long block.
So I am fixing the oil leak adding some love to the tranny while at it. Next step do I cam only and plan for a turbo. Hence asking for feedback. Is it too complicated and realistic for $5k budget to get 500-600hp/tq on a stock ls1.
People are doing and it sounds like the answer is yes.
SO back to my original question: I was asked gap the wrings when you turbo and I am thinking? Why would I pull the motor to rip the shortblock apart to just gap the rings for a cheap turbo kit bolt on. And if my block is still good and I decide to keep it and pull it I am doing it right and going for a stroker.
There goes my budget and I also realize I am not getting 500/600 on a NA stroker. I answered my own question but also like WTF am I missing something?
For the mechanic robbing my blind I am not worried about that. I know enough to be dangerous and would turn the wrenches myself if I had the extra space and a lift for it to sit for a while. I would figure it out pretty easy.
I wouldn't say quality with the sloppy build. That's kind of the point is sacrifice quality parts for parts that are more reliable than you'd expect. An ls1 with a set of 317 heads and software that allows you to ramp boost in a little slower. A fat tune up so your back cylinders don't run lean. A fair bit of torque management on the trans tune with a shift kit and a solid torque converter. You could have a set up that would make some pretty solid hp and be quick that would last. The downfall to the LS is the back 2 cylinders tend to run lean and **** themselves up blowing ring lands through detonation. So if you run a little rich they should be ok. Then by ramping in boost slower, a good torque converter, and aggressive torque management you reduce the driveline shock. That's what destroys trans and rear ends. Which is why turbos are wayyyy easier in drivetrain than nitrous. These are a bunch of band aids for sure and would make your 600hp car compete like a 525hp car at the track but for freeway pulls it would be solid. Then you spend money over the next year fixing issues like replacing the rear end when you get money so you can push it harder and harder
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Not sure where a sloppy build is coming up or what I am expecting or what I am asking my maint mech to fix.
I have a leaking rear main seal and oil pan. The tranny is being dropped. I am getting it fixed and dropping in an FTI 3200 torque converter.
While he is in there I am looking at other options to throw some money into it while on the rack. new rear, cam only build with my intent to add a proper turbo or HCI build very soon.
I have a leaking rear main seal and oil pan. The tranny is being dropped. I am getting it fixed and dropping in an FTI 3200 torque converter.
While he is in there I am looking at other options to throw some money into it while on the rack. new rear, cam only build with my intent to add a proper turbo or HCI build very soon.
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Verdad Gallardo Just remember when choosing a cam a turbo cam will behave quite a bit differently than a NA cam. I have heard good things about brutespeeds FI cam in a NA car though. So that might not be a bad cam choice if you plan to run a turbo set up or may stay NA
I mean the Ss-tq is a pretty mellow cam. Not bad numbers for turbo cam except the lsa is awful for turbo cars. It's set at 111 to give it a choppy idle. It's kind of a lame cam. There are much better for NA as well as Turbo and that one makes a poor choice as a hybrid cam. I think the brute speed one is one of the best hybrid cams. That sstq just screams disappointment unless you want a mile car that barely outperforms an ls6
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I put a small (in my mind) 218/218 cam in my 5.3 and it lights off the turbo and comes into power real quick. Like as soon as Im off the converter its pulling like a freight train.
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Silvea. That is my one hesitation with the SS-HT but it has been so proven from reviews on NA bolt on to HCI auto or manual. Ed confirmed that to me today via email, again. Tuning and running the 111 on the SS-HT is non issue for ls1 as a DD.
I also agree the SSTQ is small I would get the SS-HT. I like the V2 as well but it seems Ed lobes and powerband are more DD friendly then the V2 and even seem make more power at track and dyno.
I think, NA it with the SS-HT, do a fast with new injectors myself, then plan the FI build.
Turbo seems cheap for a kit but the welding, tweaking tuning for me is all shop time and will be big $. It seems the procharger, maybe used, is much simpler and can easily get me to a 600hp goal for a bolt on or more.
new it looks like a p1/d1 are $6k bolt on, more fuel and tune.
I also agree the SSTQ is small I would get the SS-HT. I like the V2 as well but it seems Ed lobes and powerband are more DD friendly then the V2 and even seem make more power at track and dyno.
I think, NA it with the SS-HT, do a fast with new injectors myself, then plan the FI build.
Turbo seems cheap for a kit but the welding, tweaking tuning for me is all shop time and will be big $. It seems the procharger, maybe used, is much simpler and can easily get me to a 600hp goal for a bolt on or more.
new it looks like a p1/d1 are $6k bolt on, more fuel and tune.
Silvea. That is my one hesitation with the SS-HT but it has been so proven from reviews on NA bolt on to HCI auto or manual. Ed confirmed that to me today via email, again. Tuning and running the 111 on the SS-HT is non issue for ls1 as a DD.
I also agree the SSTQ is small I would get the SS-HT. I like the V2 as well but it seems Ed lobes and powerband are more DD friendly then the V2 and even seem make more power at track and dyno.
I think, NA it with the SS-HT, do a fast with new injectors myself, then plan the FI build.
Turbo seems cheap for a kit but the welding, tweaking tuning for me is all shop time and will be big $. It seems the procharger, maybe used, is much simpler and can easily get me to a 600hp goal for a bolt on or more.
new it looks like a p1/d1 are $6k bolt on, more fuel and tune.
I also agree the SSTQ is small I would get the SS-HT. I like the V2 as well but it seems Ed lobes and powerband are more DD friendly then the V2 and even seem make more power at track and dyno.
I think, NA it with the SS-HT, do a fast with new injectors myself, then plan the FI build.
Turbo seems cheap for a kit but the welding, tweaking tuning for me is all shop time and will be big $. It seems the procharger, maybe used, is much simpler and can easily get me to a 600hp goal for a bolt on or more.
new it looks like a p1/d1 are $6k bolt on, more fuel and tune.
Like I was trying to say for a na build it's fine. However that choppy idle that people love is valve overlap. On a NA build that's fine. On a turbo car it's bad. So that cam will be rad until you go turbo. Then it will have points where both valves are open and just shoving clean air out the exhaust
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Like I was trying to say for a na build it's fine. However that choppy idle that people love is valve overlap. On a NA build that's fine. On a turbo car it's bad. So that cam will be rad until you go turbo. Then it will have points where both valves are open and just shoving clean air out the exhaust
i am doing the tranny now though for sure and 3.42
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