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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 12:23 PM
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sup guys, so I noticed the manifold/crossover connection was leaking on both the driver and passenger sides at the vband. I’ve looked and looked and can’t find anyway to seal them outside of welding new flanges on. I’ve double and triple checked to make sure they were lined up right as well as checking for flatness on the flanges. I can’t figure out why they keep leaking or how to stop it. Any suggestions?
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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 12:25 PM
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Are they the male/female design? If not, you could put the flanges on a belt sander to try and flatten them out. Or try some copper RTV.
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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 12:48 PM
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I had the same problem. even blocked them down to crocus cloth.

my coworker used to work on airplanes and they use v bands extensively. so i made a video about what I learned.

Since the video though, I have stopped using RTV. just tapping and the ptfe do a great job especially if you have decent clampco clamps.


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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 01:43 PM
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Mine do to, I assumed it was from when the hot side got finished welded....
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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 01:46 PM
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Not all V bands are created equal. Some copper roofing flat sheet cut as a washer/shim gasket is thin enough to go between and will help in a bind. One time use though the heat cycles will likely harden them and too thin to anneal so keep that in mind. You can also heat the pipe up with a rose bud nearish to each side of the v-band before clamping to help reduce any pull against the seal.
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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 01:49 PM
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I always slip the pipe through the v-band and make a male x female joint. Helps cut down on leaks tremendously.
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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 02:20 PM
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Thanks for the response. They are not male/female unfortunately. I’ll try some of these tricks and see what I come up with
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Old Jan 29, 2018 | 02:43 PM
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Garlock has specialty gaskets for misaligned fittings like this if all else fails. Aint cheap, but TOP quality

Of course this ties into my earlier remark about "not all created equal..."

Now get a crew out on site in the cold and get a leaker, talk about $$$$$
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 05:23 AM
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Buy a set of copper header collector gaskets and cut the ears off. It works great. I had one flange that would not seal and this fixed it. I have also been able to re-use it a few times and it still seals.
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 07:51 AM
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This is why you don't use vbands with a male/female pilot

Any vband flange after welding is not going to be flat, doesn't matter how you do it

It rolls the outer edge back

Use a good file and you can make them perfectly flat after welding.

If they are flat they will not leak /story
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 01:25 PM
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I can keep them flat with a purge block/heat sink but I don't have the time or money to fabricate one for every size i need.

I have since switched to a swaged marman flange like this (actually this seller is local to me and I got to him for all my hotside stuff)

works way better than your typical machined flange.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARMAN-FLAN...-/262837735751
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
I can keep them flat with a purge block/heat sink but I don't have the time or money to fabricate one for every size i need.

I have since switched to a swaged marman flange like this (actually this seller is local to me and I got to him for all my hotside stuff)

works way better than your typical machined flange.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARMAN-FLAN...-/262837735751
I've had great luck with copper rtv on my flanges but I might try those the next time around.
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 04:42 PM
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As I was discussing this with my fab guy who is 3rd guy tackling my turbo system, we got to thinkn...It cant be rocket science, just careful use of good welding techniques, and other simple fixes like shown in all the posts above. The 18 wheelers you see on the road everyday use vbands on turbo systems that routinely run 50psi+ for 100s of 1000s of miles. I'm sure that some will always be worse than others. But I like the idea that there is more than one solution possible. I cant wait to go thru these pains,lol. None of my shyt leaks or has leaked.....bcuz it doesn't run yet and by default is now perfect! lol...Someday!
Upon reassembly, I will try the tips in Truckdougs video as it seems simple enough and makes sense. After that, pile on the bandaides,lol. I'm staying tuned for any other tips/tricks as this is mostly still new to me.

p.s. What do you guys mean when you say hand file em down? I'm confused. Meaning keeping the two surfaces flat like how a cylinder head meets the block? checked with a straight edge?

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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
This is why you don't use vbands with a male/female pilot

Any vband flange after welding is not going to be flat, doesn't matter how you do it

It rolls the outer edge back

Use a good file and you can make them perfectly flat after welding.

If they are flat they will not leak /story

Wouldn't it still be beneficial to do as you suggest and still have the male x female? Seems like it could only help furthermore
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 05:08 PM
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Wouldn't it still be beneficial to do as you suggest and still have the male x female? Seems like it could only help furthermore
No. How are you supposed to grind or file the male side?
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 05:10 PM
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The male/female v-bands don't help with leaks. They only help with keeping the two pieces of pipe aligned, which is basically what the clamp does anyway. Once clamped, they can't be misaligned anyway.
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rkupon1
p.s. What do you guys mean when you say hand file em down? I'm confused. Meaning keeping the two surfaces flat like how a cylinder head meets the block? checked with a straight edge?
It means to flatten the mating surfaces that get warped during welding. Kind of like a cylinder head and block, yes.
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 05:24 PM
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Got ya. Yup, makes sense. Looks like im fixn to find that out the hard way now.
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 05:27 PM
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filing them down= get 'em close cross filing and then use a single cut file to draw file them. i can get 'em to seal really nice that way.

to check flat, sharpie the surface lightly and then rub a machinist's 123 block over it. the high spots will be bald. keep filing. once it's all bald, it's under a tenth flat. one stripe of sharpie ink is about .00002" thick
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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 05:32 PM
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Doubt this gunna work for me now as i thought the male x female was a homerun,lol...guess i ll cross that bridge when i get there
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