1000cc decapped injectors
and so far using id1000 data has worked perfect for me. I put 95lb/ hr where it looks like 90 would be more accurate for flow rate. But the offset and all the adders seem to work good. I Also have my transient min mg at .005 currently and am tweaking my transient tables. It's a pita trial and error deal
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Motorcraft CM5187 for 5.0 https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2013,mustang,5.0l+v8,1503807,fuel+&+air,fuel+ injector,6224
Click part number shows F150 2011 - 2017 and Mustang 2011 - 2018
additional info https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2603774&cc=1503807&jsn=4217
Wonder what the Motorcraft CM5216 is in the 2013-2014 5.8 GT500? Looks like they may be Bosch 0280158298
Click part number shows F150 2011 - 2017 and Mustang 2011 - 2018
additional info https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2603774&cc=1503807&jsn=4217
Wonder what the Motorcraft CM5216 is in the 2013-2014 5.8 GT500? Looks like they may be Bosch 0280158298
this set and the set I am currently running are out of 5.0 coyote trucks, mustang use it also. The first set I did were out of an e350 van with a 5.4.
EDIT the non flex truck injectors seem to flow about 70ish lb/hr, the flex ones are prob about the same as the Ford Bosch ones
0280158193 that's the first part # I did. Summit racing sells these if you search that number you'll see them. They're application chart shows they came in 2010- 2014 e150- e350 with the 5.4. Some of the 16 e350s have them too.
0280158227. This is the 2nd and 3rd sets I did, 1 of the sets flowed by Eric through 4eyed. These seem to have came in 2011- 17 coyote 5.0 f150s and mustang.
0280158003. This is the 2nd set in the flow sheet, I have found these to fit only 1 year model the 04 f150. 1 of the worse years for the f150. I would steer clear of these they flowed like crap.
Another EDIT! I will add iniatlly I used truck injector orings like 2003 the 25# injectors people decap.The bottom oring inside diameter was a little bit bigger. In my gen3 truck intake they seemed fine but when I swapped to tbss intake they had vacuum leaks at the lower but the upper sealed perfect. I did alot of research and found using the top oring off tbss injectors for the top and bottom on these injectors to be perfect. They are really snug so lube them up good and jam them in.
0280158227. This is the 2nd and 3rd sets I did, 1 of the sets flowed by Eric through 4eyed. These seem to have came in 2011- 17 coyote 5.0 f150s and mustang.
0280158003. This is the 2nd set in the flow sheet, I have found these to fit only 1 year model the 04 f150. 1 of the worse years for the f150. I would steer clear of these they flowed like crap.
Another EDIT! I will add iniatlly I used truck injector orings like 2003 the 25# injectors people decap.The bottom oring inside diameter was a little bit bigger. In my gen3 truck intake they seemed fine but when I swapped to tbss intake they had vacuum leaks at the lower but the upper sealed perfect. I did alot of research and found using the top oring off tbss injectors for the top and bottom on these injectors to be perfect. They are really snug so lube them up good and jam them in.
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I think it may be a different style, like pintle vs disc. Or it may just be that they are made by Bosch. Imo theres a reason ID and the other injector companies use the Bosch injectors to modify
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Great info guys! Just curious if anyone has looked at, or for the original ford data? Just curious if or how different it might be. Since Banish sends his dvd out with basically all ford data, and it transfers directly over. Awesome find!
I did pull the tune off a Ford truck, but it had different injectors. I tried to copy the data over and it ran like ****. It may have been fine after tuning the VE table but I just stuck the id data back in. Iirc the offset was way different, like the ID has .9 at 13.5 and the Ford data was .2 or something low. I believe it went really lean, which it should have. Could have all that backwards too I'll see if we have a 5.0 on the lot and pull the tune off it
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So, I wonder, in theory at least. How much power could some of these ford injectors support, stock and decapped???? I'm taking a rough stab in the dark here but I'm guessing that a flow matched set of non flex injectors that are decapped should support 800 RWHP with some headroom left maybe @ 80% DC at that power level? And the flex fuels decapped should be maybe 1000 RWHP???? Then what can these ford injectors do.
IIRC the most I've seen on my decapped injectors while staying in boost for a good while was like 55% DC.... 8 PSI 6.0 with a SS2 cam so that's what, maybe 600 HP give or take?
IIRC the most I've seen on my decapped injectors while staying in boost for a good while was like 55% DC.... 8 PSI 6.0 with a SS2 cam so that's what, maybe 600 HP give or take?
So, I wonder, in theory at least. How much power could some of these ford injectors support, stock and decapped???? I'm taking a rough stab in the dark here but I'm guessing that a flow matched set of non flex injectors that are decapped should support 800 RWHP with some headroom left maybe @ 80% DC at that power level? And the flex fuels decapped should be maybe 1000 RWHP???? Then what can these ford injectors do.
IIRC the most I've seen on my decapped injectors while staying in boost for a good while was like 55% DC.... 8 PSI 6.0 with a SS2 cam so that's what, maybe 600 HP give or take?
IIRC the most I've seen on my decapped injectors while staying in boost for a good while was like 55% DC.... 8 PSI 6.0 with a SS2 cam so that's what, maybe 600 HP give or take?
I'm not sure, it seems like Matt was running out of injector on the don't bs me build at around 550. I remember he accidently made 630 or so and was pretty lean, but he may could have added another 450 pump and went a bit further. But that was also on ethanol which takes more. So 800 on pump and meth maybe possible.
you have a 7875 right? And a t56? That being the case you're prob pretty close to 600 wheel, for sure more than 500.
I would expect the Bosch injectors to get to about the same as the flex fuel decaps, they seem to flow about the same. Again the plus to the Bosch injectors is, so far at least, you only need 1 set instead of 2+. We need a few other people to get some and test them out. Somewhere in the world theres a guy or gal throwing a set of these injectors in the trash can every day I bet, if they only knew lol
Edit I just recently maxed my boost controller out and was making about 16- 17 psi and was at 60%dc. This is also with a baby on3 7665 which I'm sure is out of steam, but the boost doesn't fall off even up to 6500 rpm. Once I get the funds up a VS S475 and a new hotside is going on so then we can compare that data too. If anybody has a turbo around that size and would like to donate to the cause just hit me with a PM
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Did you watch the OBS truck running decaps that he just made a video on? That's just like mine, cept mine's a Silverado instead of a work truck lol. Think they made over 600 tire through an 80e around 15 psi boost creepin.
Yeah, I have an S475 and a T56. More power than the transport wheels/tires can hook up is all I know lol. I'm going to be on the lookout next time I'm at the yard. Are those 3 part numbers you posted above the ones to look for? If I find some I will definitely throw them onto my homebrew flowbench.
Yeah, I have an S475 and a T56. More power than the transport wheels/tires can hook up is all I know lol. I'm going to be on the lookout next time I'm at the yard. Are those 3 part numbers you posted above the ones to look for? If I find some I will definitely throw them onto my homebrew flowbench.
Made it to the track last Saturday and got 2 hits in. First went 6.98 at 102 on 8psi. 2nd went 6.67 at 105 on 12 psi. Injector duty cycle was 60% at 6000rpm, and it's bottom 11s high 10s on the wideband.
I would guess it's probably close to 600-650 on 12psi? and still have some room to turn it up. I should also add I'm running 93 octane, and 50/50 meth and water. 2 devilsown nozzles a 12 and a 5. Also timing peaked at only 12 degrees
EDIT- it is an 1/8th mile track obviously. Not many 1/4 mile tracks in Alabama.
I would guess it's probably close to 600-650 on 12psi? and still have some room to turn it up. I should also add I'm running 93 octane, and 50/50 meth and water. 2 devilsown nozzles a 12 and a 5. Also timing peaked at only 12 degrees
EDIT- it is an 1/8th mile track obviously. Not many 1/4 mile tracks in Alabama.
Also should have mentioned I finally got a vsracing s475 t6 cast deal, which these runs were the first passed on the new setup. So it was just shakedown passes.
after my 2nd hit a guy in a falcon hit the wall and rolled taking some of the wall down, he got right out but they called off the rest of the day
hoping to make it to Fulton ms dragstrip this weekend for more testing. It is only like 600', so most cars pick up about a .5-.8 seconds with a lower mph.
after my 2nd hit a guy in a falcon hit the wall and rolled taking some of the wall down, he got right out but they called off the rest of the day
hoping to make it to Fulton ms dragstrip this weekend for more testing. It is only like 600', so most cars pick up about a .5-.8 seconds with a lower mph. 